New President of the SBC

[Reynolds]

Those who argue against Male headship and Leadership are arguing against the Lord Himself, as he established that pattern and order!

Indeed. Scripture is plain from Gen 1 to Rev 22.

 

[Baptist Believer]

Those who argue against Male headship and Leadership are arguing against the Lord Himself, as he established that pattern and order!

Please post scripture that supports this assertion.

The Pastor and Elders are the ones who were appointed as the spieirual leadership in local churches, and were all male!

Please post scripture that supports this assertion that lists the names of all of the leadership of local churches.

Dr MacArthur one of the very best teachers, where do you disagree with him?

I disagree that he is "one of the very best teachers." There are many people more capable and insightful.

I generally haven't followed his writing/teaching since around 1991, but here are a few areas in which I disagree:

• Young earth creationism
• Premillennial dispensationalism
• Belief in what is popularly called "the rapture" (removal of the church from the earth)
• Calvinism
• Complementarian theology (patriarchy)

His primary contribution to my theology:

• His emphasis on Lordship Salvation -- I read "Gospel According to Jesus" when it first came out in the late 1980s and was quite pleased to see him supporting something I had been preaching for several years. It was quite affirming to me as a budding theologian. However, I believe that MacArthur doesn't quite understand that the gospel is much more than simply atonement, which is a weakness of his theology, likely because of his dispensational convictions. He does not seem to understand that the Kingdom of God is the focus of the New Testament, something that includes ALL of the doctrine of atonement and much more.

 

[Yeshua1]

Please post scripture that supports this assertion.


Please post scripture that supports this assertion that lists the names of all of the leadership of local churches.


I disagree that he is "one of the very best teachers." There are many people more capable and insightful.

I generally haven't followed his writing/teaching since around 1991, but here are a few areas in which I disagree:

• Young earth creationism
• Premillennial dispensationalism
• Belief in what is popularly called "the rapture" (removal of the church from the earth)
• Calvinism
• Complementarian theology (patriarchy)

His primary contribution to my theology:

• His emphasis on Lordship Salvation -- I read "Gospel According to Jesus" when it first came out in the late 1980s and was quite pleased to see him supporting something I had been preaching for several years. It was quite affirming to me as a budding theologian. However, I believe that MacArthur doesn't quite understand that the gospel is much more than simply atonement, which is a weakness of his theology, likely because of his dispensational convictions. He does not seem to understand that the Kingdom of God is the focus of the New Testament, something that includes ALL of the doctrine of atonement and much more.

Onus is on you to produce for us ANY NT passage thjat states that a woman can now be a pastor or Elder in the local church!
Surely if true, can give us one?

 

[Yeshua1]

Please post scripture that supports this assertion.


Please post scripture that supports this assertion that lists the names of all of the leadership of local churches.


I disagree that he is "one of the very best teachers." There are many people more capable and insightful.

I generally haven't followed his writing/teaching since around 1991, but here are a few areas in which I disagree:

• Young earth creationism
• Premillennial dispensationalism
• Belief in what is popularly called "the rapture" (removal of the church from the earth)
• Calvinism
• Complementarian theology (patriarchy)

His primary contribution to my theology:

• His emphasis on Lordship Salvation -- I read "Gospel According to Jesus" when it first came out in the late 1980s and was quite pleased to see him supporting something I had been preaching for several years. It was quite affirming to me as a budding theologian. However, I believe that MacArthur doesn't quite understand that the gospel is much more than simply atonement, which is a weakness of his theology, likely because of his dispensational convictions. He does not seem to understand that the Kingdom of God is the focus of the New Testament, something that includes ALL of the doctrine of atonement and much more.

The primary emphasis of the Church is the great Commission to the lost, and maturing up the saved, not society renewal!

 

[AVL1984]

When it became apparent that it was going to be between Stone and Litton, I was sure that Stone would lose to Litton, though I believed it would still be Litton who would win. A majority of the messengers who voted wanted to keep the status quo that Greear had, and they supported Litton accordingly. It was close, though. We are praying that soon the conservatives will once again be ablt to gain control of the office of President as well as the EC and start making the necessary changes to the Convention.

 

[Baptist Believer]

Onus is on you to produce for us ANY NT passage thjat states that a woman can now be a pastor or Elder in the local church!

You are the one who made an assertion that all the leaders of the churches were male. To make that claim with integrity, you would have to have a list of those leaders. There are church leaders referenced in the New Testament, but you apparently don't want to actually do the work.

Surely if true, can give us one?

Sure, I can do that.

2 John 1
The elder to the chosen lady and her children, whom I love in truth...​

The word that is translated "lady" is the feminine form of the Greek word κυρίᾳ, which is a person who has authority. So she is the female authority of the church. The brief epistle is to her to keep the false teachers out of the congregation by her authority as leader of the congregation.

 

[Yeshua1]

You are the one who made an assertion that all the leaders of the churches were male. To make that claim with integrity, you would have to have a list of those leaders. There are church leaders referenced in the New Testament, but you apparently don't want to actually do the work.


Sure, I can do that.

2 John 1
The elder to the chosen lady and her children, whom I love in truth...​

The word that is translated "lady" is the feminine form of the Greek word κυρίᾳ, which is a person who has authority. So she is the female authority of the church. The brief epistle is to her to keep the false teachers out of the congregation by her authority as leader of the congregation.

No, John was addressing lady as a local church there, and her children as the members of that assembly!

 

[Baptist Believer]

No, John was addressing lady as a local church there, and her children as the members of that assembly!

I could try to show you why I believe you are in error, but you have already demonstrated (and are still demonstrating) that you don't allow scripture to correct your opinions when it speaks plainly (Matthias replacing Judas Iscariot), so there is no point discussing this with you.

You love your opinions more than scripture.

 

[Yeshua1]

I could try to show you why I believe you are in error, but you have already demonstrated (and are still demonstrating) that you don't allow scripture to correct your opinions when it speaks plainly (Matthias replacing Judas Iscariot), so there is no point discussing this with you.

You love your opinions more than scripture.

Did Paul mention for the requirement of a pastor Elder or deacon could be a female?
And you views in many areas not based upon the scriptures, but what culture and current held opinions are dictating!

 

[just-want-peace]

Did Paul mention for the requirement of a pastor Elder or deacon could be a female?
And you views in many areas not based upon the scriptures, but what culture and current held opinions are dictating!

This seems to be a pattern, do it not??

 

[Salty]

Onus is on you to produce for us ANY NT passage thjat states that a woman can now be a pastor or Elder in the local church!
Surely if true, can give us one?

I disagree -- others made a statement - and they should back it up first.

 

[Reynolds]

You are the one who made an assertion that all the leaders of the churches were male. To make that claim with integrity, you would have to have a list of those leaders. There are church leaders referenced in the New Testament, but you apparently don't want to actually do the work.


Sure, I can do that.

2 John 1
The elder to the chosen lady and her children, whom I love in truth...​

The word that is translated "lady" is the feminine form of the Greek word κυρίᾳ, which is a person who has authority. So she is the female authority of the church. The brief epistle is to her to keep the false teachers out of the congregation by her authority as leader of the congregation.

The woman was most likely a friend of Pauls and the authority was over her family.

 

[McCree79]

No!
Do you understand that Mohler ran for SBC President, and came in a distant third?
Do you know what a runoff election is?

Mohler was not a distant 3rd. He was barely behind Litton in the first election. I believe it was like 200 votes out of nearly 16k

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[Jerome]

No, it was not "like 200" votes that Mohler was behind by. It was 866!

and exactly 14.3K ballots were cast, not "nearly 16K".

 

[Reynolds]

No, it was not "like 200" votes that Mohler was behind by. It was 866!

and exactly 14.3K ballots were cast, not "nearly 16K".

Just numbers. Just numbers.

 

[Jerome]

Just numbers. Just numbers.

 

[rlvaughn]

A new little dust-up re the SBC President:
Litton, Greear say permission granted to borrow from sermon
How should the Ed Litton borrowing sermons situation be handled?

 

[AVL1984]

I think people are blowing this thing way out of proportion. I know many pastor who use other preachers sermons, and most are gracious enough to let them use them. It truly shouldn't be that big of a deal unless the preacher who appropriated the sermon is claiming that he created it himself.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

I think people are blowing this thing way out of proportion. I know many pastor who use other preachers sermons, and most are gracious enough to let them use them. It truly shouldn't be that big of a deal unless the preacher who appropriated the sermon is claiming that he created it himself.

That may be, but people may want to know specifics if their pastor is relying heavily on material from other developed sources.

I know of one case where a pastor used without credit verbatim material from a book as if it were his own.

The funny part was that the author presented the material as historical, quoting from another author, but the entire narrative, including that second author, seems to have been a complete fabrication developed for effect.

 

[AVL1984]

That may be, but people may want to know specifics if their pastor is relying heavily on material from other developed sources.

I know of one case where a pastor used without credit verbatim material from a book as if it were his own.

The funny part was that the author presented the material as historical, quoting from another author, but the entire narrative, including that second author, seems to have been a complete fabrication developed for effect.

Is Christ still being preached? Are you perfect? Care to cast the first stone? UGH...sometimes "Christians" really tick me off with their biting and devouring one another. What a field day the adversary is having with this, taking the focus off of Christ and the building of the Kingdom, being divisive, and trying to tear away at the fabric of who we are as saved individuals.