NHS: Starving Alfie to death was just 'redirecting care'

[church mouse guy]

The British courts ruled that the infant could not leave the UK for medical treatment, according to CNN, a liberal source.

Judges on the UK Court of Appeal once again ruled against 23-month-old Alfie Evans' family.

Wednesday's ruling rejected new arguments intended to overturn a decision by the High Court on Tuesday that prevented the terminally ill toddler from leaving Britain for medical treatment, said Roger Kiska, a lawyer with Christian Legal Center and part of the legal team representing Alfie's parents.

Alfie Evans not allowed to leave country, UK court says - CNN

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Don't waste your breath, Martin: people come here with their preconceived prejudices about the NHS and the facts won't dislodge those. That doesn't stop me being amazed by the amount of misinformation propagated here about such sad cases.

OK Matt, what was the use of the British Governnent insistence on not releasing the child into the custody of the parents, knowing full well that they would have taken the child to the Vatican... where the child would probably have died yes but would have died in peace and with the full support of the parents ...whose minds would have been at ease. This child should not have been the ward of the government (not any government) because they do not have the right to play God and parent to anyone’s kids. Those parents had enough to go through without your governments interfering.

 

[Revmitchell]

No country is perfect.

You have police shooting unarmed people with impunity.

There is nothing true in this post.

 

[InTheLight]

There is nothing true in this post.

Well, I think the "no country is perfect" part is true.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Could Matt Black lose his job for being critical of his rulers ?

 

[just-want-peace]

Could Matt Black lose his job for being critical of his rulers ?

Hadn’t considered this scenario, but seems totally plausable considering his replies!!!
This would be a terrible cloud hanging overhead. But this is exactly what WE would have under a progressive utopian dream.

 

[Matt Black]

Apparently, we are getting information in the American press that differs from what the Brits are getting.

Here is from the American Spectator, a conservative American Catholic site:

Though his case was simple — set my son free to seek treatment elsewhere — and though he was granted hearing after hearing with “red judges” like Mr. Justice Hayden and legal luminaries like Sir Andrew McFarlane, the answer was always the same. Acquiescence in the pleas of Alfie’s parents wouldn’t have cost the NHS or the British taxpayer a farthing, yet Alfie’s doctors and the hospital didn’t even consider releasing him. Even when the Pope interceded and transportation was provided to move him to an Italian hospital that was ready to admit him, it somehow continued to be in “Alfie’s interest” to remain hostage to the NHS.

If you don’t understand why the NHS and British courts refused, you don’t get socialized medicine. It is not, nor has it ever been, about health care. It’s about power. Once a government — any government — takes control of your health care, they own you and your children. Alfie’s parents and the British public had for months demanded Alfie’s release just to seek treatment by doctors competent enough to figure out what was wrong with him. But, for a socialized system, that’s dangerous. It implies that an individual Brit has rights not bestowed by the state.

Why Alfie Will Never Escape the NHS Alive

I don't think that the average Brit cares.

For those who are interested in the facts of the case, the High Court judgement is here:
Alder Hey NHS Trust -v- Evans

 

[Matt Black]

OK Matt, what was the use of the British Governnent insistence on not releasing the child into the custody of the parents, knowing full well that they would have taken the child to the Vatican... where the child would probably have died yes but would have died in peace and with the full support of the parents ...whose minds would have been at ease. This child should not have been the ward of the government (not any government) because they do not have the right to play God and parent to anyone’s kids. Those parents had enough to go through without your governments interfering.

It was nothing to do with the Government: the courts adjudicated a dispute between the parents, the hospital and the representatives of Alfie as to what was in Alfie's best interests. Theresa May and her Government had no say in it whatsoever, being subject to the Courts the same as everyone else. The reason the Courts decided that it wasn't in Alfie's best interests to transfer him to Italy was that (a) all that the Italian hospital was offering was not a cure but palliative care coupled with artificially keeping him alive (equivalent to performing CPR endlessly on someone who's flatlined) and (b) because even moving someone being ventilated from one part of a hospital to another would have inflicted unnecessary pain and probably have hastened the end, let alone moving him from one country to another!

 

[Matt Black]

Could Matt Black lose his job for being critical of his rulers ?

Nope.

 

[Matt Black]

Supreme Court 1st hearing judgement: Permission to appeal determination in the matter of Alfie Evans - The Supreme Court

 

[Matt Black]

So, sorry to disappoint those of you who think we live in some kind of totalitarian socialist paradise (highly unlikely under a Conservative government responsible for cuts in public services so vicious that even Maggie Thatcher didn't dare to make them) where evil doctors bayonet babies for kicks, but we have this thing called Due Process and the Rule of Law which has been followed in this tragic case.

 

[Matt Black]

In typical UK politically correct fashion, the best the government could do while starving Alfie to death, was threaten his parent's supporters with prosecution.

"Merseyside Police warned supporters of Alfie's family that their social media posts were being monitored over reports that Alder Hey doctors were being hit with abuse."

And words don't kill. Just the NHS.

So you think threatening to kill doctors and nurses is Ok? Or forcing staff and patients (other children, remember) to run the gauntlet of a baying mob, telling said patients that the doctors are going to kill them, is Ok? You don't have a problem with that?

Dr Ravi Jayaram

 

[David Kent]

As I said in the US the police can shoot unarmed people with impunity,

 

[Revmitchell]

As I said in the US the police can shoot unarmed people with impunity,

As I said nothing about that statement is true and repeating that silliness is petty.

 

[church mouse guy]

As I said in the US the police can shoot unarmed people with impunity,

Did Brussels tell you that?

 

[church mouse guy]

So, sorry to disappoint those of you who think we live in some kind of totalitarian socialist paradise (highly unlikely under a Conservative government responsible for cuts in public services so vicious that even Maggie Thatcher didn't dare to make them) where evil doctors bayonet babies for kicks, but we have this thing called Due Process and the Rule of Law which has been followed in this tragic case.

Thanks for admitting that the courts make the determinations in these cases.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Death panels.

 

[David Kent]

As I said nothing about that statement is true and repeating that silliness is petty.

Yes you did ,and I don't believe a word you say.

 

[Revmitchell]

Yes you did ,and I don't believe a word you say.

I doubt you believe what you say.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Still mad about that whole colonial thing , eh Dave ?