NIV vs. ESV, Part 2

[Yeshua1]

Keep up your mantra.

you have kept up yours!

 

[Reformed1689]

You might be surprised that your favorite version uses more functional equivalence that you currently know.

I use the NIV as my primary translation, but always use other versions to complement my understanding of the text. Plus I use commentaries after that.

Being as iteral as possible sometimes means less accurate than necessary.

All translations employ some level of functional equivalence unless they are a strict interlinear.

 

[Rippon2]

All translations employ some level of functional equivalence unless they are a strict interlinear.

Yes, all do. But some formal equivalence fans have an enlarged estimation of their favorites. These fans have no idea that their favorite version uses functional equivalence as a philosophy of translation.

 

[Yeshua1]

Yes, all do. But some formal equivalence fans have an enlarged estimation of their favorites. These fans have no idea that their favorite version uses functional equivalence as a philosophy of translation.

Doubt those who did the nas saw it in that fashion!

 

[Reformed1689]

Yes, all do. But some formal equivalence fans have an enlarged estimation of their favorites. These fans have no idea that their favorite version uses functional equivalence as a philosophy of translation.

You assume I haven't read the preface to the ESV. The KJV used more functional methods than the ESV does. It falls within the formal equivalent camp and you know it. You keep trying to peddle false information on this topic.

 

[Rippon2]

you have kept up yours!

My "mantra" is to get you to confess your sin of lying about the NIV for 15 straight years. My "mantra" is to demand for you to retract and apologize for your lack of integrity. You see things that are not in the text of the NIV. You have never documented any of your irresponsible charges as being in the NIV. Those sinfully stupid accusations might as well be aimed at the NASB, NKJV, CSB and NLT. That's because all of the translations and the NIV are guiltless of your absurdities.

 

[Rippon2]

You assume I haven't read the preface to the ESV. The KJV used more functional methods than the ESV does. It falls within the formal equivalent camp and you know it. You keep trying to peddle false information on this topic.

Tell me something false that I have said.

 

[Reformed1689]

Tell me something false that I have said.

Oh like talking about which ones are formal and which ones are functional.

 

[Rippon2]

Oh like talking about which ones are formal and which ones are functional.

If you pay close attention to my words you will notice that I didn't say so-called formal versions don't use form-oriented wording. The method may be to try the formal route, but the philosophy is that on many occasions the form will have to be modified.

"Every translation is at many points a trade-off between literal precision and readability, between 'formal equivalence' in expression and 'functional equivalence' in communication, and the ESV is no exception." [Taken from the preface of the ESV you claim to have read.]

 

[Reformed1689]

If you pay close attention to my words you will notice that I didn't say so-called formal versions don't use form-oriented wording. The method may be to try the formal route, but the philosophy is that on many occasions the form will have to be modified.

"Every translation is at many points a trade-off between literal precision and readability, between 'formal equivalence' in expression and 'functional equivalence' in communication, and the ESV is no exception." [Taken from the preface of the ESV you claim to have read.]

Yes, which I already acknowledged. You seem to be trying to make it out to be more than what it is.

 

[Yeshua1]

My "mantra" is to get you to confess your sin of lying about the NIV for 15 straight years. My "mantra" is to demand for you to retract and apologize for your lack of integrity. You see things that are not in the text of the NIV. You have never documented any of your irresponsible charges as being in the NIV. Those sinfully stupid accusations might as well be aimed at the NASB, NKJV, CSB and NLT. That's because all of the translations and the NIV are guiltless of your absurdities.

How can I be sinning against the Niv, for there shall be mistakes in it, but you treat it as being in same way a KJVO sees their pet translation?

 

[Yeshua1]

If you pay close attention to my words you will notice that I didn't say so-called formal versions don't use form-oriented wording. The method may be to try the formal route, but the philosophy is that on many occasions the form will have to be modified.

"Every translation is at many points a trade-off between literal precision and readability, between 'formal equivalence' in expression and 'functional equivalence' in communication, and the ESV is no exception." [Taken from the preface of the ESV you claim to have read.]

Formal translation philosophy superior to the functional one....

 

[Rippon2]

Formal translation philosophy superior to the functional one....

You need to use the NIrV for your primary translation. It will jump-start your English proficiency.

 

[Yeshua1]

You need to use the NIrV for your primary translation. It will jump-start your English proficiency.

Lets try it in watered down English for you here.... Nas superior to the Niv 2011....

 

[Rippon2]

Job

18:3
ESV : Why are we counted as cattle?
NIV : Why are we regarded as cattle

18:12
ESV : His strength is famished
NIV : Calamity is hungry for him

19:13
ESV : He has put my brothers far from me
NIV : He has alienated my family from me

19:17
ESV : My breath is strange to my wife
NIV : My breath is offensive to my wife

20:22
ESV : In the fullness of his sufficiency
NIV : In the midst of his plenty

21:33
ESV : The clods of the valley are sweet to him
NIV : The soil in the valley is sweet to them

23:7
ESV : There an upright man could argue with him
NIV : There the upright can establish their innocence before him

24:16
ESV : In the dark they dig through houses
NIV : In the dark, thieves break into houses

24:22
ESV : Yet God prolongs the life of the mighty by his power
NIV : But God drags away the mighty by his power

26:10
ESV : He has inscribed a circle
NIV : He marks out the horizon

 

[Rippon2]

Job

27:2

ESV : who has taken away my right
NIV : who has denied me justice

27:12
ESV : why then have you become altogether vain?
NIV : Why then this meaningless talk

27:14
ESV : If his children are multiplied, it is for the sword
NIV : However ma his children, their fate is the sword

28:5
ESV : As for the earth, out of it comes bread
NIV : The earth, from which food comes

29:16
ESV : I searched out the cause of him whom did not know
NIV : I took up the case of the stranger

29:22
ESV : my word dropped on them
NIV : my words fell gently on their ears

 

[Rippon2]

30:9
ESV : And now I have become their song
NIV : And now those young men mock me in song

31:12
ESV : it would burn to the root of my increase
NIV : it would have uprooted my harvest

31:20
ESV : if his body has not blessed me
NIV : and their hearts did not bless me

31:21
ESV : because I saw my help in the gate
NIV : knowing that I had influence in court

31:39
ESV : and made its owners breathe their last
NIV : or broken the spirit of its tenants

 

[Squire Robertsson]

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