No one deserved to be saved. Why the angst with Particular redemption?

[revmwc]

You are failing to understand what they said.

They were right. You are wrong.

I did not say that and it is dishonest to say I did.

Here is what you said verbatum
"To say that you have to do something (believe, repent, accept, pray the sinner's prayer, walk the aisle, anything) to add to Christ's finished word is to limit the Omnipotence of God. It is to say that God cannot save you without your help."

Please show me where I am being dishonest, I wouldn't want to attribute something to you that you didn't say, but there is the exact quote and it clearly says "It is to say that God cannot save you without your help."

 

[revmwc]

Can God not have limits? There are plenty of things God cannot do and is thus limited. God can't deny himself. He can't sin or lie. He can't create another god just as he is. He can't create a squared-circle. God has limits.

But the Grace of God and His atonement for sin is unlimited. Can God be called Omnipotent and be limited? All powerful and be limited? God cannot sin either, and yet He made man in His image. Of course that is a different discussion.

 

[Iconoclast]

Show where he said that in this statement, maybe I missed it, "To say that you have to do something (believe, repent, accept, pray the sinner's prayer, walk the aisle, anything) to add to Christ's finished word is to limit the Omnipotence of God. It is to say that God cannot save you without your help."

It is understood by his first 8 words......but he can answer very well for himself.
In other words God's work of salvation results in the things you are concerned about....those things are not the cause but the result .

 

[TCassidy]

Here is what you said verbatum
"To say that you have to do something (believe, repent, accept, pray the sinner's prayer, walk the aisle, anything) to add to Christ's finished work is to limit the Omnipotence of God. It is to say that God cannot save you without your help."

Please show me where I am being dishonest, I wouldn't want to attribute something to you that you didn't say, but there is the exact quote and it clearly says "It is to say that God cannot save you without your help."

You said that I said

Except tc said anyone who says you must believe is saying that you are saying "that God cannot save you without your help."

I did not say "anyone who says you must believe is saying." That is simply untrue. I never said anything about "y0u must believe." All believers, by definition, believe.

 

[revmwc]

It is understood by his first 8 words......but he can answer very well for himself.
In other words God's work of salvation results in the things you are concerned about....those things are not the cause but the result .

"To say that you have to do something", first 8 now Jesus, Paul and Silas said "Believe to be saved" therefore in his first 8 words he calls what they said into question or it seems too.

 

[Iconoclast]

He saves the whosoever's that will come. The thing is I believe that the whsoevers are everyone in this world but I also believe not all will come, they can come, salvation is there for all, but not all will believe.

This is why you are totally mistaken and fail to grasp God's Covenant salvation......there is no whosoever, there is....everyone believing and continuing to believe.

 

[Iconoclast]

He saves the whosoever's that will come. The thing is I believe that the whsoevers are everyone in this world but I also believe not all will come, they can come, salvation is there for all, but not all will believe.

Jesus said no man CAN COME.UNLESS. ....

 

[revmwc]

You said that I said

I did not say "anyone who says you must believe is saying." That is simply untrue. I never said anything about "y0u must believe." All believers, by definition, believe.

Okay you said, "To say that you have to do something " meaning if I said it and yet I was quoting scripture so does that statement carry over to anyone or just to me in particular? So I need not quote scripture that says believe because than as you say I would be saying from scripture that one must believe and therefore they must do something. that would make me suppose that it must be said Jesus will save you. Without an explaination of how He will save you, because to say believe and he will save you is adding something on my part, again that's what it seems you are saying.

 

[revmwc]

Jesus said no man CAN COME.UNLESS. ....

And I believe all men receive the invitation to come by the Convicting of the Holy Spirit.

 

[TCassidy]

Okay you said, "To say that you have to do something " meaning if I said it and yet I was quoting scripture so does that statement carry over to anyone or just to me in particular? So I need not quote scripture that says believe because than as you say I would be saying from scripture that one must believe and therefore they must do something. that would make me suppose that it must be said Jesus will save you. Without an explaination of how He will save you, because to say believe and he will save you is adding something on my part, again that's what it seems you are saying.

Once again you demonstrate your seeming inability to understand simple declarative sentences.

 

[TCassidy]

"To say that you have to do something", first 8 now Jesus, Paul and Silas said "Believe to be saved" therefore in his first 8 words he calls what they said into question or it seems too.

Once again demonstrates the inability to understand very simple sentences.

 

[revmwc]

Once again you demonstrate your seeming inability to understand simple declarative sentences.

I am trying to comprehend what you are saying but evidently you just can't explain it well enough for me to grasp it, because the statement as I see says if anyone adds believing then they are saying God can't save you with out help.

 

[TCassidy]

But the Grace of God and His atonement for sin is unlimited.

So you believe everybody, even Satan and his demons, will be saved?

 

[revmwc]

Once again demonstrates the inability to understand very simple sentences.

Okay they said believe and thou shalt be saved. Isn't that adding somethinng?

 

[revmwc]

So you believe everybody, even Satan and his demons, will be saved?

Nope just humans Angels cannot be redeemed once fallen always fallen in their case.

 

[TCassidy]

I am trying to comprehend what you are saying but evidently you just can't explain it well enough for me to grasp it, because the statement as I see says if anyone adds believing then they are saying God can't save you with out help.

As I have said over and over and over again, you cannot add to the finished work of Christ. If you can add to it, it was not finished!

 

[TCassidy]

Nope just humans Angels cannot be redeemed once fallen always fallen in their case.

So, you limit the atonement to humans. But you think all humans will be saved?

 

[TCassidy]

Okay they said believe and thou shalt be saved. Isn't that adding somethinng?

No.

 

[revmwc]

No.

Then neither is what I am saying because I am quoting them, whosoever believeth in Him will never perish, so where am I adding to it? The thing that is the rub is how regeneration occurs or when I should say, believe on the Lord and thou shalt be saved=regeneration.

 

[TCassidy]

And I believe all men receive the invitation to come

Yes, the gospel call is universal. You got that part right.