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No person can come to Christ by their own freewill ! 2

Silverhair

Well-Known Member
Scriptural support please.
I have set before you life and death, blessing and curse: therefore choose life Deu_30:19

But if serving the LORD seems undesirable to you, then choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods your forefathers served beyond the River, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you are living. But as for me and my household, we will serve the LORD. Jos_24:15

Elijah went before the people and said, “How long will you waiver between two opinions? If the LORD is God, follow him, but if Baal is god, follow him. 1Ki_18:21

You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart. I will be found by you, declares the LORD. Jer_29:13-14

"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing”. Mat_23:37 & Luk_13:34

"The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel." Mar_1:15

...There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words. Joh_12:48

God did this so that men would seek him and perhaps reach out for him and find him, though he is not far from each one of us. Act_17:27

...if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
Rom_10:9

In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation--having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise, Eph_1:13

That should be enough for you to see man's free will is in both the OT % NT.

I do like this from provervbs

Pro 3:5 Trust in the LORD with all your heart, and lean not on your own understanding;
Pro 3:6 in all your ways acknowledge Him, and He will make your paths straight.
Pro 3:7 Be not wise in your own eyes; fear the LORD and turn away from evil.
 

Silverhair

Well-Known Member
When one is drawn by God and or Christ that's salvation that's regeneration and the effectual call!

So again you are promoting universalism BF. You have to deny the word of God if you hold to your false religion.

Joh 12:32 And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to myself.

Was Christ lifted up BF?

God has a love for His creation and desires all to come to repentance or do you disagree with this?
Rom 2:4 Or do you think lightly of the riches of His kindness and tolerance and patience, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance?

Christ went to the cross for all of humanity BF.
Rom 5:8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

It is only because you have followed the false teachings of man that you continue to deny the clear word of God.
 

Silverhair

Well-Known Member

BF you have just proven free will of man.

metaphorically, to draw by inward power, lead, impel: John 6:44 (so in Greek also; as ἐπιθυμίας ... ἑλκουσης ἐπί ἡδονάς, Plato, Phaedr., p. 238 a.; ὑπό τῆς ἡδονῆς ἑλκόμενοι, Aelian h. a. 6, 31; likewise 4 Macc. 14:13; 15:8 (11).trahitsuaquemquevoluptas, Vergil, ecl. 2, 65); πάντας ἑλκύσω πρός ἐμαυτόν, I by my moral, my spiritual, influence will win over to myself the hearts of all, John 12:32. Cf. Meyer on John 6:44; (Trench, § 21, Compare: ἐξέλκω.)

The man has to respond in faith to the drawing but is not certain that they will do so as not all are be persuaded or won over. Some will hear the gospel massage and reject the offer of salvation.
 
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