No person can come to Christ by their own freewill !

[Brightfame52]

Jn 6:44

44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

No man can come here means no man has the ability to come to Christ. That cancels out the myth that man has a freewill,

It also means that no man has the ability to believe on Christ for Salvation. Because Christ equates believing on Him with coming to Him. Jn 6:64-65

64 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.

65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.


What about those Jesus says to them Jn 5:40

40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

Thats answered in Jn 6:44 they simply will not come because they cannot come unless the Power of God draws them and makes them willing

Ps 110:3

3 Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power, in the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning: thou hast the dew of thy youth.

If and when one comes to believe on Christ willingly, the credit goes to Gods Power !

 

[Brightfame52]

No man can come to Christ by his own freewill ability because by nature hes dead in trespasses and sins and without spiritual life and ability to do or act. So consequently he cant come and believe on Christ of himself, or of his own freewill.

 

[Silverhair]

That is a rather strange bit of logic there BF. When the bible holds man responsible for the choices he makes then logically he has the free will with which to make choices.

But according to you man cannot do that so the question is how is a Holy God just if He condemns man for not doing something he has no ability to do?

 

[JonC]

Wait....are we saying people come to Christ against their will?

 

[Brightfame52]

That is a rather strange bit of logic there BF. When the bible holds man responsible for the choices he makes then logically he has the free will with which to make choices.

But according to you man cannot do that so the question is how is a Holy God just if He condemns man for not doing something he has no ability to do?

Man is a slave to sin and still responsible or his sinning.

 

[Van]

Yet another obscene thread, pushing utter nonsense!


What does it mean "no person can come to Christ?" Does the OP poster know? Of course not. On and On, folks, false claim on top of misrepresentation.


1) No person can seek God or put their trust in Christ because of "Total Spiritual Inability." That claim is utter nonsense.


2) No person can cause his or her transfer into Christ? That claim is true.


3) No person can seek God or put their trust in Christ unless God allows. That claim is true. If God chooses to harden a person's heart, they cannot believe.


4) John 5:40 says those who chose not to come to Jesus were "unwilling" not "unable." Again and again, one false claim after another.

5) Psalm 110:3 is none germane, other that it indicates people will willingly serve in David's army, thus serving the Lord's anointed!

 

[Dave G]

Wait....are we saying people come to Christ against their will?

" And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father." ( John 6:65 )

 

[Silverhair]

Man is a slave to sin and still responsible or his sinning.

Man is a slave to sin but that does not preclude him being able to hear, understand and respond to the gospel message. That is just the C/R view that was brought into the church in the 4th century.

And yes man is responsible for his sinning and will be judged for it.

But your philosophy says man has no free will so how can he choose to sin. All the actions must have been determined by God so you have made God responsible for the sin man commits. You do have a strange religion there BF.

 

[Silverhair]

" And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father." ( John 6:65 )

Joh_6:65 tells us that not all will be allowed/permitted to come to God. Joh_6:64 tells why. They did not believe but the question is what did they not believe? We need to look back to Joh_6:53-63 for the answer.

 

[Brightfame52]

According to Jesus words here can a man by his own freewill ability come to Christ ? Jn 6:65

65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father. 2

 

[Brightfame52]

Man is a slave to sin but that does not preclude him being able to hear, understand and respond to the gospel message. That is just the C/R view that was brought into the church in the 4th century.

And yes man is responsible for his sinning and will be judged for it.

But your philosophy says man has no free will so how can he choose to sin. All the actions must have been determined by God so you have made God responsible for the sin man commits. You do have a strange religion there BF.

Man is a slave to sin and has no freewill ability to come to Christ and believe in Him. Thats what this thread is about.