So when did race begin & what caused it?
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Noah's flood Scripturally...
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So when did race begin & what caused it?
atpollard
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Ridiculous! The current landscape is the result of the flood. You do not know what you are talking about.
BenWest
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Genesis 1:6-8 shows that the 1st Heaven was made on the 2nd Day.
Genesis 2:4 shows that other Heavens were made on the 3rd Day.
ll Corinthians 12:2 shows of the 3rd Heaven, which confirms Genesis 2:4
God told Noah that He was going to destroy violent mankind "with the Earth". Genesis 6:13
God told Noah after the flood that never again would He destroy the Earth in a flood. Gen 9:11
ll Peter 3:6 tells us that the world (kosmos) that then was perished. (Grk-totally destroyed)
I have many more. Would you like to post your Scripture which refutes the above? Or admit that God's Holy Word is NOT nonsense when compared to your view?
Don't you think that it is idiotic to say that the third Heaven was created on the third day?
BenWest
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I don't think God's Holy Word is idiotic:
Gen 2:4 ¶ These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,
What Day did the Lord God make the first Earth? According to Genesis 1:9-10, it was the 3rd Day. On that same 3rd Day Lord God/YHWH made other heavens (plural). The first heaven was made on the 2nd Day Genesis 1:8 by God (Elohim) and at least two more were made by Lord God/Jesus the next Day. Scripturally, the present 2nd Heaven and the 3rd Heaven were made on the 3rd Day. Amen?
atpollard
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“Heaven” = שָׁמַיִם shâmayim, shaw-mah'-yim; dual of an unused singular שָׁמֶה shâmeh; from an unused root meaning to be lofty; the sky (as aloft; the dual perhaps alluding to the visible arch in which the clouds move, as well as to the higher ether where the celestial bodies revolve). [from Strongs]
Same Hebrew word used in every bold below ...
[Gen 1:1, 8-9, 14-15, 17, 20, 26, 28, 30 KJV] 1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. ... 8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day. 9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry [land] appear: and it was so. ... 14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: 15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. ... 17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, ... 20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl [that] may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. ... 26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. ... 28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. ... 30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein [there is] life, [I have given] every green herb for meat: and it was so.
[Gen 2:1 KJV] 1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
You don't have the slighest idea what you are talking about, do you?
He seems to have invented a whole new "theology" That "Adam's world" stuff is outright goofy. Adam lived on the same world we do.
While the flood altered many things, it's still the same world. According to Scripture, the Euphrates & some other currently-existing rivers existed when the garden of Eden was here. Once the flood receded, they existed again, in roughly the same courses.
Most major rivers have shifted their paths by a few miles over the years. We can see this in miniature by establishing a "river" from a garden hose in a sand pile. In a few minutes, the water's path down the sand pile will shift, even if the water hasn't washed much sand from under it.
When the flood receded, the causes for the river's formation in the first place were still there, so the river simply continued.
While the earth itself is very old, the evidence is plain that its surface has been re-arranged a number of times. And there's unmistakable evidence that over 99% of all animal species that ever existed are extinct.
Absolute scientific rubbish that you repeat over & over like a troll. Not even atheists are going to believe your science.
Unlike yours & his, my stuff is Scripture and science-based. Your own theology has gone to pot as well as his.
You can say that about yourself until the cows come home but you cannot find even an American professor to profess your science with a straight face. You are just a troll on this issue.
MMRRPP ! WRONG !
About any paleontologist will agree with what I said, as will anyone with common sense about animals.
I am waiting for you to link to a paleontologist who supports your cuckoo ideas and your self-described common sense about animals contradicts genetics so I am waiting for you to link to a geneticist who supports your notions about animals. Too bad that you cannot get to Williamstown so you could end your trolling on this subject.
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BenWest
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Misleading, since the Euphrates is the ONLY River listed and it was named after the Euphrates River on Adam's Earth. There is NO place on Earth where the only 4 Rivers are part of a worldwide watering system and ALL come from the same place. Genesis 2:10 These 4 Rivers were totally and completely destroyed, ll Peter 3:6 along with Adam's Earth which was "clean dissolved" as Isaiah 24:19 details.
Humans (descendants of Adam) arrived some 11,000 years ago, in man's time, in Lake Van, Turkey according to Scripture and HISTORY. In the following map, Lake Van, is between Mt Ararat and the center of the Fertile Crescent. Human history can trace Noah's descendants to Northern Mesopotamia the Cradle of Human Civilization on this Earth which is just SW of Lake Van. That's God's Truth..
Map: Fertile Cresent, 9000 to 4500 BCE
Evidently you don't know what a paleontologist is. That's one who studies fossils & ancient life. And most will tellya that over 99% of all animal species that ever lived are now extinct.
And Frank Buck tried as hard as anyone to capture live specimens of every known land animal for study. He learned what each ate & what it needed to live, but he fell woefully short of collecting one of every African animal, let alone, from anywhere else. (He was also a great hunter.)
And try keeping just elephants, rhinos, water buffaloes, & lions in a space the size of the ark & see how peaceful it stays !
Over 3 million fossils have been recovered from the La Brea tar pits in Los Angeles, mostly extinct animals such as mammoths & saber tooth cats. There have been modern animals found as well, some larger, some smaller than present ones, including birds, insects, & even microbes. This proves the world was much-different before man was made, as none of the extinct animals were contemporary with man. (One early woman's skeleton was found that's several thousand years old. it appears to have been ceremonially consigned to the tar, as the earliest known human inhabitants of the area knew better than to walk on it.)
And again, remember, Scripture says Noah had at least one pair of EVERY animal on the ark. that means mammoths, saaber tooth, dire wolf, etc. were extinct in Noah's day, as they're better-equipped to survive than today's equivalent animals.
Look at a map of that area with rivers & streams on it. You'll see there are some other rivers & streams that begin in the vicinity of where the Euphrates does. And we don't know how large the garden of Eden was. And naturally, the flood altered things some. And we don't know how large a stream had to be for the ancients to call it a river.
And, no, there was no such thing as "Adam's earth". There's been only ONE earth, & Adam lived on it same as we do.
atpollard
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Whose HISTORY are you reading?
By 1,000,000 years ago hominins were widely distributed in Africa and Asia, and some finds in Europe may be that early. The earliest securely dated material is from Isernia la Pineta in southern Italy, where stone tools and animal bones were dated to about 730,000 BCE. Thereafter the evidence becomes more plentiful, and by 375,000 BCE most areas except Scandinavia, the Alps, and northern Eurasia had been colonized.
From the beginning of the last major Pleistocene glaciation about 120,000 BCE, the hominin fossils belong to the Neanderthals, who have been found throughout Europe and western Asia, including the glacial environments of central Europe. They were biologically and culturally adapted to survival in the harsh environments of the north, though they are also found in more moderate climates in southern Europe and Asia. Finds of stone tools from the Russian plains suggest the first certain evidence of colonization there by 80,000 BCE. Despite their heavy skeletons and developed brow ridges, Neanderthals were probably little different from modern humans. Some of the skeletal remains appear to be from deliberate burials, the first evidence for such careful behaviour among humans.
From about 35,000 BCE, anatomically modern humans—Homo sapiens sapiens, the ancestor of modern populations—were found throughout Europe (though the discovery of a fragment of a skull in Israel in 2008 suggested that humans interbred with Neanderthals in the Levant and that the first modern humans may have arrived in Europe as early as about 55,000 BCE). The following period was marked by a series of important technological and cultural changes, in marked contrast to the comparative stability of the preceding hundreds of thousands of years. These changes cannot be simply explained as the result of the sudden appearance of modern, intelligent humans. The preceding Neanderthals differed little in brain size, and some Neanderthal remains are associated with tool assemblages of the new technology as well as with behavioral practices such as burial. The problem of the relationship of the Neanderthals to the sudden appearance of modern humans is difficult; possible explanations include total replacement of Neanderthals by modern populations, interbreeding with an immigrant modern population, or Neanderthals as ancestors of modern humans.
Sites of this period are found throughout Europe, though at the height of the last major Pleistocene glaciation (about 35,000 to 13,000 BCE) much of the North European Plain was abandoned as populations moved south. There is a greatly increased number of sites, many of which show evidence of more permanent structures such as hearths, pavements, and shelters built of skins on a frame of bone or wood. Some of this increase may be due to the greater likelihood of finding sites of this more recent period, but it may also indicate a growing population density and a greater investment of energy in construction.
The earliest art objects in Europe also date from this period. There are small figurines of animals and humans made from finely carved bone or ivory. Among the most striking are the so-called Venus figurines, stylized representations of females with large breasts and buttocks, which show a marked degree of similarity from France to Russia. There are also thousands of small stone plaques engraved with representations of humans and animals.
atpollard
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Every zoo in the world manages this feat. It was the norm before the modern “habitat” type of displays.
Setting zoos aside ...
If that is too hard a task for God, then what chance is there that a dead man rose from a grave so we could live forever?
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