Normalized Heterosexual Fornication, Lust, etc.

[Zaac]

I wondered that too. There were a couple sex scenes in 3 seasons. Its mostly trying to escape the zombie apocalypse.

Are a couple of sex scenes okay? How about next season they throw in a couple of gay sex scenes? Will that be okay too?

webdog, I'm just saying THAT is how we've normalized heterosexual fornication and lust into our everyday lives and we barely blink because "it's not that much".

When we are constantly presenting the picture that we've apparently only got an issue with fornication and lust of the homosexual type while indulging in the watching, etc of heterosexual fornication and lust everyday, it kinda leaves us with next to no witness about these issues.

It's kinda like you often read the comments from dems and liberals on other boards when they speak of Repubs being anti-gay but tapping their feet in bathroom stalls or hiding a page underneath their desks.

We simply cannot continue to play both sides of the fence.

 

[Zaac]

There can be no doubt that TV and other media normalize what we understand to be sin.

Yep

Not much we can do about it.

we can not watch it.:thumbs:

However, I would suggest that you ask yourself if you would permit the kind of activity in your house that you are watching on TV. If not it would be a good idea to turn off the TV.

I concur along with not soliciting movies that presents all sorts of levels of heterosexual lusts as okay.

 

[Mexdeaf]

I wonder what things Jesus saw that caused him to "normalize" sin?

Serious question- no answer?

 

[InTheLight]

In Zaac's world, Christians need to shut up about homosexual fornication and lust if we're not going to make the same stink about the heterosexual lust and fornication that we've allowed to creep into our daily existences without complaint.

Hey, that's the same as in InTheLight's world.

If you're sitting back and watching heterosexual fornication and lust and aren't making a big deal about it, then shut up about the homosexual fornication and lust. Be consistent.

Yep, we agree.

I would add that Christians should no longer use the argument that same sex marriage is an attack on the sanctity of marriage when there are hetero adulterers and fornicators making a mockery of marriage and on a much wider scale than gays.

 

[Zaac]

Hey, that's the same as in InTheLight's world.



Yep, we agree.

I would add that Christians should no longer use the argument that same sex marriage is an attack on the sanctity of marriage when there are hetero adulterers and fornicators making a mockery of marriage and on a much wider scale then gays.

Now THAT I need to get put on a tshirt and wear to church Sunday!:thumbs:

 

[webdog]

Are a couple of sex scenes okay? How about next season they throw in a couple of gay sex scenes? Will that be okay too?

webdog, I'm just saying THAT is how we've normalized heterosexual fornication and lust into our everyday lives and we barely blink because "it's not that much".

When we are constantly presenting the picture that we've apparently only got an issue with fornication and lust of the heterosexual type while indulging in the watching, etc of heterosexual fornication and lust everyday, it kinda leaves us with next to no witness about these issues.

It's kinda like you often read the comments from dems and liberals on other boards when they speak of Repubs being anti-gay but tapping their feet in bathroom stalls or hiding a page underneath their desks.

We simply cannot continue to play both sides of the fence.

I get what you are saying, and agree even a little is not okay. I will forward through such scenes. You have to remember we're told to be in the world, not of the world. It is impossible to avoid every instance, and while not having a TV is an option, it is not the only option.

 

[Zaac]

I get what you are saying, and agree even a little is not okay. I will forward through such scenes. You have to remember we're told to be in the world, not of the world. It is impossible to avoid every instance, and while not having a TV is an option, it is not the only option.

Absolutely. Making an attempt to not indulge in it either on tv or in the movies needs to be the testimony of Christians because we have gotten a reputation of compromising when it meets our needs or desires.

 

[Alive in Christ]

I consider the "prime time" tv line up to be so rotten, un interesting, and boring, that I have completly given up on it

The only exceptions would be the news channels, PBS channels, sports, history channel, etc, and some christian programs

Every thing else does not exist in my world

 

[Don]

Tell you what: I'm gonna keep watching "Top Shot." That okay with everyone?

 

[Mexdeaf]

Tell you what: I'm gonna keep watching "Top Shot." That okay with everyone?

That (and Duck Dynasty) make me happy, Jack!

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

Tell you what: I'm gonna keep watching "Top Shot." That okay with everyone?

Fine by me, Don. I'll join you. Care to view NCIS and Person of Interest with me? Not to mention any sporting event on the planet, OK? :smilewinkgrin: :thumbsup:

 

[righteousdude2]

Agreed!

I get what you are saying, and agree even a little is not okay. I will forward through such scenes. You have to remember we're told to be in the world, not of the world. It is impossible to avoid every instance, and while not having a TV is an option, it is not the only option.

I totally agree with you. Only in Glory will we be free from the sin of this world.

I can't go anywhere without observing someone or something that isn't dark, lustful, there to tempt, sinful, and just disgusting.

None of us live in a sanctified bubble, Zaac! If we lived with your premise, we'd be shut-ins, going nowhere, in order to keep our eyes, minds and hearts from the scenes of sing playing out all around each of us in the marketplace, at our schools [especially high learning institutions], in our neighborhoods, etc.

As far as discerning sin and keeping ourselves from being gobbled up in the sin around us, that is why we hide the Word of God in our hearts. It is His Word that reminds me of the differences between what is acceptable and what is not acceptable.

If you lived her in California, you'd see some things that would make you shudder, and that includes the outright display of sinful actions and behavior by all of those who have firmly planted their feet on the "Highway to Hell!"

I understand, like Webdog, what you are saying, but it is impossible to avoid sin, as it is rampant and growing.

That is why I was so livid about gay marriage. I did not want to see one more open display of carnal affection between people walking through the marketplace, neighborhoods and wherever it is I have to go to maintain my life.


Now, with same-gender marriage approved, we will have one more thing to morally censor out when we go out in the public places. Sorry, but, if you have a way to avoid sin - other then dying - I'd love to hear it! raying:

Marantha! Come Lord, Jesus, come!!!

 

[Oldtimer]

I totally agree with you. Only in Glory will we be free from the sin of this world.

I can't go anywhere without observing someone or something that isn't dark, lustful, there to tempt, sinful, and just disgusting.

None of us live in a sanctified bubble, Zaac! If we lived with your premise, we'd be shut-ins, going nowhere, in order to keep our eyes, minds and hearts from the scenes of sing playing out all around each of us in the marketplace, at our schools [especially high learning institutions], in our neighborhoods, etc.

As far as discerning sin and keeping ourselves from being gobbled up in the sin around us, that is why we hide the Word of God in our hearts. It is His Word that reminds me of the differences between what is acceptable and what is not acceptable.

If you lived her in California, you'd see some things that would make you shudder, and that includes the outright display of sinful actions and behavior by all of those who have firmly planted their feet on the "Highway to Hell!"

I understand, like Webdog, what you are saying, but it is impossible to avoid sin, as it is rampant and growing.

That is why I was so livid about gay marriage. I did not want to see one more open display of carnal affection between people walking through the marketplace, neighborhoods and wherever it is I have to go to maintain my life.

Now, with same-gender marriage approved, we will have one more thing to morally censor out when we go out in the public places. Sorry, but, if you have a way to avoid sin - other then dying - I'd love to hear it! raying:

Marantha! Come Lord, Jesus, come!!!

That bears repeating with emphasis!

This isn't about TV shows. Nor movies. Nor any other form of media communication. The topic, in essence, is about NORMALIZING sin. We already have too many sins that society has "normalized". Efforts to "normalize" another one should, IMO, be met with loud crys of protest against that particular sin. If we, as members of the body of Christ, remain silent on this one, because other normalized sin exists, we are aiding and abetting those who condone this sin.

Further, begs the question, will we be silent, when the next currently condemed by society, sin is normalized, too? Multiple spouses. Child brides. Euthanasia. Beastuality. Just some that are in the wings waiting their turn to come front and center after homosexuality is "normalized".

 

[Zaac]

I totally agree with you. Only in Glory will we be free from the sin of this world.

I can't go anywhere without observing someone or something that isn't dark, lustful, there to tempt, sinful, and just disgusting.

None of us live in a sanctified bubble, Zaac! If we lived with your premise, we'd be shut-ins, going nowhere, in order to keep our eyes, minds and hearts from the scenes of sing playing out all around each of us in the marketplace, at our schools [especially high learning institutions], in our neighborhoods, etc.

You're TOTALLY missing the point which is to stop complaining about all the homosexual sin while indulging in the normalized heterosexual sin as though it's just a fact of life. We do it REGULARLY when we watch and listen to what the world watches and listens to.

As far as discerning sin and keeping ourselves from being gobbled up in the sin around us, that is why we hide the Word of God in our hearts. It is His Word that reminds me of the differences between what is acceptable and what is not acceptable.

If you lived her in California, you'd see some things that would make you shudder, and that includes the outright display of sinful actions and behavior by all of those who have firmly planted their feet on the "Highway to Hell!"

The displays are what they are and are simply a factor of Christians not taking action when sin rears its ugly head. I'm talking about us indulging in the normalized sin as though it's not sin. We write it off as "not that much cussing", or "they didn't take God's name in vain too many times" or "it's just tv and if you're gonna watch anything, you got to put up with the gratuitous heterosexual fornication/lust scene".

I understand, like Webdog, what you are saying, but it is impossible to avoid sin, as it is rampant and growing.

I didn't say avoid it. I'm saying don't take active part with it.

That is why I was so livid about gay marriage. I did not want to see one more open display of carnal affection between people walking through the marketplace, neighborhoods and wherever it is I have to go to maintain my life.

And that's fine. It's just awfully difficult for folks to care about that sentiment though if you're in some rated R or PG-13 movie with them that has shown acrnal affection between folks. Or if you watch the stuff in the privacy of your own home, why hypocritically pretend to be against it when out in public which is OFTEN the case.

Now, with same-gender marriage approved, we will have one more thing to morally censor out when we go out in the public places. Sorry, but, if you have a way to avoid sin - other then dying - I'd love to hear it! raying:

Same gender marriage isn't gonna put anymore morally disgusting stuff in your path than was already there. Gay people have not been waiting on a SCOTUS ruling to start their public displays.

They fit right in with the overwhelming majority of decadent, immoral heterosexuals who are doing any and everything in public.

 

[Yeshua1]

We talk quite a bit about homosexual offenses. Let's deal with the heterosexual offenses that we have normalized.

32 and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice them. Romans 1:32

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Of the none sports/reality tv shows, are you watching the same things that non-Christians are watching?

How many Christians indulge in soap operas every day or read romance novels?

Wonder how many Christians watched Skyfall last year?Or any of the Twilight saga?

The list is just ridiculously long of the things of heterosexual fornication and adultery that we tolerate for the sake of entertaining ourselves.

How is it that we rationalize this behavior and will spend an inordinate amount of time engaged watching these things but it's spoken of rarely ever in comparison to our complaints about the homosexual offense?

Straight sex outside of marriage is a sin, but is also "natural", while homosexual activities BOTH sin and unnatural!

Again, straights doing those sins are wrong, but Homosexuals, even 'christian" one attimes, do NOT see that act as sinful, as they are doing 'just what god created them to do!"

 

[Zaac]

Straight sex outside of marriage is a sin, but is also "natural",

No sin is natural. This is part of the problem is that it's natural for heterosexuals to sexually sin together. There was no heterosexual sin or sin period when God made us. The NATURAL is the original and we originally did not sin.

while homosexual activities BOTH sin and unnatural!

Now THAT is true.

Again, straights doing those sins are wrong, but Homosexuals, even 'christian" one attimes, do NOT see that act as sinful, as they are doing 'just what god created them to do!"

You just put forth that heterosexual fornication is natural. Do you see why folks get the wrong idea about what is/is not sinful?

 

[Yeshua1]

No sin is natural. This is part of the problem is that it's natural for heterosexuals to sexually sin together. There was no heterosexual sin or sin period when God made us. The NATURAL is the original and we originally did not sin.



Now THAT is true.



You just put forth that heterosexual fornication is natural. Do you see why folks get the wrong idea about what is/is not sinful?

IF there would have been no fall, there would not be any 'gay" persons, as all would have been 'straight!"

God himself defined relations between female/male as natural, but if done outside marriage, sinful, while Homosexual sex is both unnatural and sinful!

God's definition, not mine!

 

[saturneptune]

That bears repeating with emphasis!

This isn't about TV shows. Nor movies. Nor any other form of media communication. The topic, in essence, is about NORMALIZING sin. We already have too many sins that society has "normalized". Efforts to "normalize" another one should, IMO, be met with loud crys of protest against that particular sin. If we, as members of the body of Christ, remain silent on this one, because other normalized sin exists, we are aiding and abetting those who condone this sin.

Further, begs the question, will we be silent, when the next currently condemed by society, sin is normalized, too? Multiple spouses. Child brides. Euthanasia. Beastuality. Just some that are in the wings waiting their turn to come front and center after homosexuality is "normalized".

Bravo !!! The TV shows, movies, Rush Limbaugh, and other such trash can be controlled with the off button. It is all about what is in our heart, and our relationship with Jesus Christ. You bring up a good point. If gay marriage is legalized, why cant I marry my pet cat? The Holy Spirit makes it clear to each Christian what is right and wrong.

I do think Zaac has a valid point. Those who hide in the world of heterosexual sin by bashing homosexual relations are just as guilty. Neither is acceptable.

 

[Zaac]

IF there would have been no fall, there would not be any 'gay" persons, as all would have been 'straight!"

God himself defined relations between female/male as natural, but if done outside marriage, sinful, while Homosexual sex is both unnatural and sinful!

God's definition, not mine!

What are you talking about? God defined male/female relations in terms of marriage as natural. He DID NOT define heterosexual fornication as natural.

Heterosexual sex outside of marriage is just as unnatural and sinful as is homosexual sex.

 

[InTheLight]

What are you talking about? God defined male/female relations in terms of marriage as natural. He DID NOT define heterosexual fornication as natural.

Heterosexual sex outside of marriage is just as unnatural and sinful as is homosexual sex.

Homosexual sex is defined as unnatural in Romans 1:26-27. I don't see anywhere in the Bible where hetero sex is defined as unnatural. Do you?

It's sinful and wrong, but never described as unnatural.