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[percho]

“one cannot say statistically the vaccine saves live”

“you’d be better off without the vaccine”

My own doctor and nurse from the VA said since I’ve had covid I’m fine” in reference to not getting the vaccine.

And I believe the point most are trying to make is Covid is Covid with or without the Vax thus the Vax has no business being used for the purposes it is being used. The medical value is nil.

And people trying to mandate it for any purpose other than what vaccines are for should be jailed and or worse.

Now I want each of us to think about kids 2 years to 18 years.

Why in God's name would anyone want to give it to kids? An experimental vaccine? Experiment on kids?

You have a little box on top of your Facebook page (changing to Meta, ck out the meaning of meta) that says, "what's on your mind, your name," I posted Sacrifices to Molech and I am not sure I am wrong.

Jon, (sorry Rev not going to quote everybody) Something is not right about the effort that has been put into vaccinating the world with these experimental vaccines that at best are around 50% effective between life and death. And when I say that I mean total of death of all causes.

 

[JonC]

And I believe the point most are trying to make is Covid is Covid with or without the Vax thus the Vax has no business being used for the purposes it is being used. The medical value is nil.

And people trying to mandate it for any purpose other than what vaccines are for should be jailed and or worse.

Now I want each of us to think about kids 2 years to 18 years.

Why in God's name would anyone want to give it to kids? An experimental vaccine? Experiment on kids?

You have a little box on top of your Facebook page (changing to Meta, ck out the meaning of meta) that says, "what's on your mind, your name," I posted Sacrifices to Molech and I am not sure I am wrong.

Jon, (sorry Rev not going to quote everybody) Something is not right about the effort that has been put into vaccinating the world with these experimental vaccines that at best are around 50% effective between life and death. And when I say that I mean total of death of all causes.

That is because people are inventing an agenda. They say it is about control. But is it? If it is then the ones who hold control ate the unvaccinated (they are the ones who still get to decide....you can't get an anti-vaccination).

Also, the vaccines have been proven to be over 95% effective. You can say immunity declines (it does, significantly after 6 to 8 months with both immunity via vaccine and natural immunity). But you can get a booster shot.

I suppose you could also simply get covid again as a booster. But that is more danger. We know the long term effects of the vaccines as we know how the vaccines operate and how long they last (not the immunity but the actual inoculation).

But we do not know the long term effects of covid or the full extent of the damage it does to the heart, lungs and blood vessels.

 

[percho]

That is because people are inventing an agenda. They say it is about control. But is it? If it is then the ones who hold control ate the unvaccinated (they are the ones who still get to decide....you can't get an anti-vaccination).

Also, the vaccines have been proven to be over 95% effective. You can say immunity declines (it does, significantly after 6 to 8 months with both immunity via vaccine and natural immunity). But you can get a booster shot.

I suppose you could also simply get covid again as a booster. But that is more danger. We know the long term effects of the vaccines as we know how the vaccines operate and how long they last (not the immunity but the actual inoculation).

But we do not know the long term effects of covid or the full extent of the damage it does to the heart, lungs and blood vessels.

Actually I believe the, the control, lies in the fact that the ones who want, "the," control, have pitted the vaccinated against the unvaccinated and vice versa.

Covid and vaccines is not the only divisions they are pitting to gain, "the," control.

Now I personally do not believe the vaccine for this man made virus is effective but is one wants it OK but if one does not want it OK but the ones who want, "the," control upped the ante are pushing the powers that be the employers for mandates via threats of contract and money to further divide.

Now one might ask oneself; Self, who controls the suppliers of the vaccine? ? The ones who want, "the," control (of the world) or someone else? Here come the children to be vaccinated from two years up. Here come the boosters. How strong are they going to be relative to dose one and two. If the vares reports look as they currently do whether truly vaccine related or not, what are those reports going to look like after the two year old and up, after the the 3rd booster, 4th, booster? What if those reports are exponentially greater than they are now?

Do you, in your heart, believe this virus and vaccine is by nature? Or is it a means of gaining control?

I believe you to be a very smart person but would like to pose questions.

When 9-11 took place did we lose personal freedom?
Since Sars 2 have we lost personal freedom? Please weigh into your simple things such as open discussion by academics, posting on social media, posting opinionated videos. Gathering together in his name.

Does freedom have anything to do with, "the," control of the world? (kosmos)

One more question. Do you believe that this country the USA presently is in the direst straits as you have seen Her in your lifetime?

It is for me and I am 78 years old.

 

[just-want-peace]

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One more question. Do you believe that this country the USA presently is in the direst straits as you have seen Her in your lifetime?

It is for me and I am 78 years old.

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I totally agree & I'm 85!

 

[JonC]

Actually I believe the, the control, lies in the fact that the ones who want, "the," control, have pitted the vaccinated against the unvaccinated and vice versa.

Covid and vaccines is not the only divisions they are pitting to gain, "the," control.

Now I personally do not believe the vaccine for this man made virus is effective but is one wants it OK but if one does not want it OK but the ones who want, "the," control upped the ante are pushing the powers that be the employers for mandates via threats of contract and money to further divide.

Now one might ask oneself; Self, who controls the suppliers of the vaccine? ? The ones who want, "the," control (of the world) or someone else? Here come the children to be vaccinated from two years up. Here come the boosters. How strong are they going to be relative to dose one and two. If the vares reports look as they currently do whether truly vaccine related or not, what are those reports going to look like after the two year old and up, after the the 3rd booster, 4th, booster? What if those reports are exponentially greater than they are now?

Do you, in your heart, believe this virus and vaccine is by nature? Or is it a means of gaining control?

I believe you to be a very smart person but would like to pose questions.

When 9-11 took place did we lose personal freedom?
Since Sars 2 have we lost personal freedom? Please weigh into your simple things such as open discussion by academics, posting on social media, posting opinionated videos. Gathering together in his name.

Does freedom have anything to do with, "the," control of the world? (kosmos)

One more question. Do you believe that this country the USA presently is in the direst straits as you have seen Her in your lifetime?

It is for me and I am 78 years old.

Looking at mRNA vaccinations used in humans (since 2013) it is reasonable to believe boosters would be needed as long as the virus is present. The 2013 mRNA rabies vaccine was effective, however it was three shots over a year and boosters were required to maintain effectiveness. Boosters (by their very nature) boost the effectiveness of vaccines as the effectiveness declines over time.

The fact boosters are needed is not really an issue. Natural immunity also significantly declines after 6 months. This is why you see people who have suffered through covid two and three times.

Have we lost personal freedoms in regards to the virus? I think some states have overreacted, but no, we have not lost ersonal freedoms. What the anti-covid-vaxers call a loss of freedom is simply consequences of a pandemic. But the freedoms we have under the US Constitution ate intact. The anti-covid-vaxers are trying to remove the personal freedoms protected by the Constitution but they are a minority. I doubt they will prevail.

Do I believe that this country the USA presently is in the direst straits as you have seen Her in your lifetime? Yes. Not only is She being attacked by the "democratic socialists" on the Left but there is a more sublime attack coming from the Right (the anti-covid-vax agenda is a good example).

 

[percho]

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I totally agree & I'm 85!

Daniel 2:45 Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure.

IMHO the, "virus," and the, "vaccine," also is about, "the," control and freedom. The ones wanting the control have pitted one against the other. And more and more all of those who love freedom are going to feel as this man felt.

Martin Luther King's Last Speech: I've Been to the Mountaintop - YouTube

2 min 39 sec

 

[Wingman68]

I have asked my doctors. They are both of the opinion that most people who reject covid vaccinations are fooled by misinformation on the internet, the exception being those who do not take any vaccinations (which they contribute to general ignorance).

These were 2 of my doctors. I have friends who are doctors as well (one obgyn, one family doc, and one surgeon). While not my doctors they share this opinion.

Anti-covid-vaxers are, for a large part, willfully ignorant. They look to doctors and "experts" not because they have a history of trusting these people but because these people say what they want to hear.

Many of the anti-covid-vaxers on this board probably never even heard of the "experts" they are now relying upon until they searched for people supporting their beliefs. This demonstrates the utter folly of their position.

My Dad’s drs railed at the mention of HCQ, but dutifully gave him remdesivir. He’s dead. The drs in that hospital, your hospital, are following their paycheck. My Dad was just part of their ‘covid death’ story. He did not even have covid. You try to make this political & you are right in one respect. The deaths of the many elderly IS political. I no longer trust the medical profession. I never trusted big pharma. Everything that people have worked for all their lives should not be taken from them because they choose not to take a poison shot or a poison pill. Human rights. Moral rights. Rights that we fought & died for should NOT be taken away for a 99% survivable flu. You are wrong here, every day, in every way. Sorry about your luck, & sorry to have to call you a fellow American.

 

[Wingman68]

Looking at mRNA vaccinations used in humans (since 2013) it is reasonable to believe boosters would be needed as long as the virus is present. The 2013 mRNA rabies vaccine was effective, however it was three shots over a year and boosters were required to maintain effectiveness. Boosters (by their very nature) boost the effectiveness of vaccines as the effectiveness declines over time.

The fact boosters are needed is not really an issue. Natural immunity also significantly declines after 6 months. This is why you see people who have suffered through covid two and three times.

Have we lost personal freedoms in regards to the virus? I think some states have overreacted, but no, we have not lost ersonal freedoms. What the anti-covid-vaxers call a loss of freedom is simply consequences of a pandemic. But the freedoms we have under the US Constitution ate intact. The anti-covid-vaxers are trying to remove the personal freedoms protected by the Constitution but they are a minority. I doubt they will prevail.

Do I believe that this country the USA presently is in the direst straits as you have seen Her in your lifetime? Yes. Not only is She being attacked by the "democratic socialists" on the Left but there is a more sublime attack coming from the Right (the anti-covid-vax agenda is a good example).

Where is the mRNA being used in humans since 2013? HIV? How did that work out? You should work for them, oh wait…..you already do, here, with moderator status.

 

[JonC]

Where is the mRNA being used in humans since 2013? HIV? How did that work out? You should work for them, oh wait…..you already do, here, with moderator status.

I was thinking about the 101 people vaccinated with the mRNA rabies vaccine (CV7201) between Oct 21, 2013, and Jan 11, 2016.

Where did this happen? In my favorite city - Munich.

What do you mean "how did you work this out"? I didn't work anything out.

 

[JonC]

My Dad’s drs railed at the mention of HCQ, but dutifully gave him remdesivir. He’s dead. The drs in that hospital, your hospital, are following their paycheck. My Dad was just part of their ‘covid death’ story. He did not even have covid. You try to make this political & you are right in one respect. The deaths of the many elderly IS political. I no longer trust the medical profession. I never trusted big pharma. Everything that people have worked for all their lives should not be taken from them because they choose not to take a poison shot or a poison pill. Human rights. Moral rights. Rights that we fought & died for should NOT be taken away for a 99% survivable flu. You are wrong here, every day, in every way. Sorry about your luck, & sorry to have to call you a fellow American.

You do not need to apologize. I served our country from 1991 to 2014 to help ensure you continue to have the right not only to hold your socialistic ideologies but to express them publicly without fear.

And many here are over 60 years old (they don't have a 99% chance of surviving covid).

 

[Wingman68]

You do not need to apologize. I served our country from 1991 to 2014 to help ensure you continue to have the right not only to hold your socialistic ideologies but to express them publicly without fear.

And many here are over 60 years old (they don't have a 99% chance of surviving covid).

Leave it to you to call me a socialist. Don’t make me laugh that YOU served to protect my rights……..if you did, it was long ago, & far away from where you are now. The word patriot doesn’t enter my mind when I think of you, which I try not to do, but herein lies the problem, I cannot block you, I cannot even see when you are online. Strange, that. I can see when all the other mods are online. Stealth Jon. Upfront, & transparent, or not.

 

[JonC]

Leave it to you to call me a socialist. Don’t make me laugh that YOU served to protect my rights……..if you did, it was long ago, & far away from where you are now. The word patriot doesn’t enter my mind when I think of you, which I try not to do, but herein lies the problem, I cannot block you, I cannot even see when you are online. Strange, that. I can see when all the other mods are online. Stealth Jon. Upfront, & transparent, or not.

Careful. I did not call you a socialist.

You said you were sorry to have to call me a fellow American and I said no need to apologize. I served to contribute to your freedom of speech. Then you responded by questioning my patriotic views (which I have given no reason to be questioned or a topic of discussion).

I said you have a right to your socialistic ideologies. That does not make you a socialist. And you do have a socialistic view about quite a few things (e.g., the right to work for a specific company, removing business decisions from business owners, etc.).

Unlike other some countries you have the right to express those views. This included your "defeated America" flag profile pic (not the upside down part, as you may need help, but the tattered part).

It was not that long ago. I retired from the Army towards the end of 2014. 12B (combat engineer).

How long ago did you serve?

And what do you mean about how I came up with 2013 being the first mRNA vaccine used in people? (I don't get the question....how could you disagree with tge statement?).

 

[Wingman68]

I have zero interest in engaging you Jon. Your positions are indefensible. Your methods are not honest. You are adept at twisting words, & backed up by your position. You say you served to protect free speech, & yet you are the one who is solely responsible for removing even the ability to speak from many in this forum. I don’t dance on their graves, that’s your gig. I say ‘sorry about your luck’ & you say ‘You do not need to apologize’. You’re wasting my time to entertain yourself.

 

[JonC]

I have zero interest in engaging you Jon. Your positions are indefensible. Your methods are not honest. You are adept at twisting words, & backed up by your position. You say you served to protect free speech, & yet you are the one who is solely responsible for removing even the ability to speak from many in this forum. I don’t dance on their graves, that’s your gig. I say ‘sorry about your luck’ & you say ‘You do not need to apologize’. You’re wasting my time to entertain yourself.

I get it. You can't address the fact that a mRNA vaccine was used in 2013 so you just blow smoke praying people will forget about it.

 

[Wingman68]

I get it. You can't address the fact that a mRNA vaccine was used in 2013 so you just blow smoke praying people will forget about it.

That’s your story, unless I see proof that it WAS used, you’re the one blowing smoke. Why is this the first we’ve seen of it’s use in this country, & it has to be under emergency use authorization? With no one being responsible except the recipient? What a plan. How many were fooled, who wish they could unvax themselves? Now comes the coercion of the government against it’s people. Not a good plan……..unless they totally collapse us…….which I believe they are working toward. Cheers, Jon.

 

[Reynolds]

“one cannot say statistically the vaccine saves live”

“you’d be better off without the vactcine”

My own doctor and nurse from the VA said since I’ve had covid I’m fine” in reference to not getting the vaccine.

Wonder how long it will be until Biden forces then to change their mind?

 

[JonC]

That’s your story, unless I see proof that it WAS used, you’re the one blowing smoke.

Of course it was used. Beginning in October 2013 participants were vaccinated with the CV7201 mRNA rabies vaccination. The study concluded on February 8, 2018 and results were published in October of that same year. The vaccine is patented under the name RNActive®.

What you mean is can I prove it to you. That's like trying to prove the earth is spherical to a flat earther.

You can reason that the covid pandemic and vaccine was a conspiracy planned decades ago and in 2013 some shadow organization faked a mRNA rabies vaccine using ModeRNA Technologies in preparation for the covid plot. But that is just conspiracy and a denial of actual facts.

Why is this the first we’ve seen of it’s use in this country, & it has to be under emergency use authorization?

Because there was no need for a rabies vaccination. And this was done in Germany (the mRNA vaccine was produced by ModeRNA Technologies). It was not commercially released. The FDA operates within the US. The Pfizer covid vaccination is approved (not under emergency authorization).

How many were fooled, who wish they could unvax themselves?

Probably nobody.

Now comes the coercion of the government against it’s people.

I see the federal government overreaching in a couple of areas.

The federal government has no right to tell a business (not operating as a federal contract company) that they have to require vaccines or test for covid.

The federal government also has no right to allow unemployment for unvaccinated people who leave employment for not meeting conditions of employment in regards to vaccines. Unemployment belongs to the state.

But none of this deals with our constitutional freedoms.

Demanding business owners forfeit decisions regarding the vaccine and conditions of employment to "the people", on the other hand, is socialistic. It is taking away the freedoms of a man to operate his business within the boundaries of the law.

Cheers, Jon.

Cheers, Comrade.

 

[Reynolds]

Looking at mRNA vaccinations used in humans (since 2013) it is reasonable to believe boosters would be needed as long as the virus is present. The 2013 mRNA rabies vaccine was effective, however it was three shots over a year and boosters were required to maintain effectiveness. Boosters (by their very nature) boost the effectiveness of vaccines as the effectiveness declines over time.

The fact boosters are needed is not really an issue. Natural immunity also significantly declines after 6 months. This is why you see people who have suffered through covid two and three times.

Have we lost personal freedoms in regards to the virus? I think some states have overreacted, but no, we have not lost ersonal freedoms. What the anti-covid-vaxers call a loss of freedom is simply consequences of a pandemic. But the freedoms we have under the US Constitution ate intact. The anti-covid-vaxers are trying to remove the personal freedoms protected by the Constitution but they are a minority. I doubt they will prevail.

Do I believe that this country the USA presently is in the direst straits as you have seen Her in your lifetime? Yes. Not only is She being attacked by the "democratic socialists" on the Left but there is a more sublime attack coming from the Right (the anti-covid-vax agenda is a good example).

People like you going along with the vaccine being used to strip freedoms is the problem.

 

[JonC]

People like you going along with the vaccine being used to strip freedoms is the problem.

Above is the problem.

The anti-covid-vaxers believe anybody who chooses to be vaccinated is somehow giving up their freedom or stripping it away from others.

Their logic is bewildering....probably simply absent.

What they are saying is you had better not get vaccinated or else you are "the problem" (lumped in with the government or establishment, not "the people").

Socialistic mentality.

 

[Revmitchell]

People like you going along with the vaccine being used to strip freedoms is the problem.

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