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[Zaatar71]

I directly answered your post you just do not like the answer that comes from actually reading the verses in question.

Then you are denying the word of God @Zaatar71.

Eph 1:13 In Him, you also,
1] after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation the invitation
2] having also believed, the response
3] you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise, God's response

Rom 10:13 for
1] "WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD our response to the gospel message
2] WILL BE SAVED." God's response

Again God responds to the response of the person by saving them.

Once again you ignore verses 3-12, about election and predestination, to twist the text to a man centered version. We see what you are trying to do, lol but once again this is a tragic fail.

 

[Zaatar71]

First off Eze 36 is not about salvation as you would know if you actually studied the verses. And need I remind you I pointed out to you already.

Since faith is not a work but is a required condition for one's salvation you just proven that you do not know or understand the bible.

Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;
Eph 2:9 not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.

Rom 4:4 Now to the one who works, his wage is not credited as a favor, but as what is due.
Rom 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness,
Rom 4:6 just as David also speaks of the blessing on the man to whom God credits righteousness apart from works:

So @Zaatar71you can either believe the word of God or the word of some calvinist teacher. But only one is right and it is not your calvinist teacher.

Ezk 36, is not about salvation, lollol

 

[Zaatar71]

So I take it that you are afraid of what you will find so you choose to stick your head in the sand.

It would seem the truth is more that you can bear.

I will take it as a serious post, when you deal more honestly with the texts. Thanks for trying!

 

[Charlie24]

ok, we do not have to be enemies,lol

No, we are not enemies, we just disagree.

 

[Silverhair]

Once again you ignore verses 3-12, about election and predestination, to twist the text to a man centered version. We see what you are trying to do, lol but once again this is a tragic fail.

Election is for those that have heard and believed and they are predestined to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself.

That you can not even understand that points to your lack of ability to read with comprehension.

But I do know why you ignore these truths. It would blowup your false narrative.

 

[Silverhair]

Ezk 36, is not about salvation, lollol

Who were saved? Not Israel?

 

[Silverhair]

I will take it as a serious post, when you deal more honestly with the texts. Thanks for trying!

What you mean is when I agree with your failed interpretation. That's not going to happen.

But I do see that you do like to ignore a great many things such as the pagan roots of the religion you hold to.

 

[Craigbythesea]

Sorry, you are off base on this. your philosophical take on "hebrew Poetry" has nothing whatsoever to do with the quoted material from Zanchius,

No...It has nothing to do with your hebrew poetry deflection. It deals with biblical truth.

Your attempt to steer away from the plain statements is a fail on your part. Thanks for posting however.

Incontrovertible objective fact:

The “quote” in your post (for “is counsel shall stand, and He will do all His pleasure.” is NOT a quote from the Bible! Rather its origin appears to be from the following verses in the Bible,

Psalms 115:3. Our God is in the heavens;
he does whatever he pleases. (NRSV)

Isaiah 46:10. declaring the end from the beginning
and from ancient times things not yet done,
saying, “My purpose shall stand,
and I will fulfill my intention,” (NRSV)

Ephesians 1:11. In Christ we have also obtained an inheritance, having been destined according to the purpose of him who accomplishes all things according to his counsel and will, (NRSV)

Incontrovertible objective fact:

Psalms 115:3 and Isaiah 46:10 are written in ancient Hebrew poetry.

Incontrovertible objective fact:

The Psalms in their entirety are poems, and much of Isaiah is written in poetry rather than prose. Ephesians 1:11 is part of the doxology found in Ephesians 1:3-14 which in the Greek text includes one main clause (“Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ”) and many subordinate clauses and hence it is one complex sentence—the whole of which is a doxology.

Incontrovertible objective facts:

Ancient Hebrew poetry does NOT express objective information—it expresses feelings and emotions. Doxologies from the New Testament do NOT express objective information any more than do eulogies at a funeral. However, ancient Hebrew prose when found in the genre of literature known as the historical narrative does express objective information:

1. The word of the Lord came to Jonah a second time, saying,
2. “Get up, go to Nineveh, that great city, and proclaim to it the message that I tell you.”
3. So Jonah set out and went to Nineveh, according to the word of the Lord. Now Nineveh was an exceedingly large city, a three days' walk across.
4. Jonah began to go into the city, going a day's walk. And he cried out, "Forty days more, and Nineveh shall be overthrown!"
5. And the people of Nineveh believed God; they proclaimed a fast, and everyone, great and small, put on sackcloth.
6. When the news reached the king of Nineveh, he rose from his throne, removed his robe, covered himself with sackcloth, and sat in ashes.
7. Then he had a proclamation made in Nineveh: "By the decree of the king and his nobles: No human being or animal, no herd or flock, shall taste anything. They shall not feed, nor shall they drink water.
8. Human beings and animals shall be covered with sackcloth, and they shall cry mightily to God. All shall turn from their evil ways and from the violence that is in their hands.
9. Who knows? God may relent and change his mind; he may turn from his fierce anger, so that we do not perish."
10. When God saw what they did, how they turned from their evil ways, God changed his mind about the calamity that he had said he would bring upon them; and he did not do it. (NRSV)

These objective facts prove that the statement, “for “His counsel shall stand, and He will do all His pleasure” is charged with feeling and emotions rather than objective biblical information. The objective biblical information is that God, when new information comes to His attention, changes his plans accordingly—even in cases of unforeseen genuine repentance.

 

[Marooncat79]

I directly answered your post you just do not like the answer that comes from actually reading the verses in question.

Then you are denying the word of God @Zaatar71.

Eph 1:13 In Him, you also,
1] after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation the invitation
2] having also believed, the response
3] you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise, God's response

Rom 10:13 for
1] "WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD our response to the gospel message
2] WILL BE SAVED." God's response

Again God responds to the response of the person by saving them.

Roman’s 10:14. how can they call upon Him whom they have not believed?