Once again you ignore verses 3-12, about election and predestination, to twist the text to a man centered version. We see what you are trying to do, lol but once again this is a tragic fail.
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Ezk 36, is not about salvation, lollol
I will take it as a serious post, when you deal more honestly with the texts. Thanks for trying!
No, we are not enemies, we just disagree.
Silverhair
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Election is for those that have heard and believed and they are predestined to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself.
That you can not even understand that points to your lack of ability to read with comprehension.
But I do know why you ignore these truths. It would blowup your false narrative.
Silverhair
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Who were saved? Not Israel?
Silverhair
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What you mean is when I agree with your failed interpretation. That's not going to happen.
But I do see that you do like to ignore a great many things such as the pagan roots of the religion you hold to.
Craigbythesea
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Incontrovertible objective fact:
The “quote” in your post (for “is counsel shall stand, and He will do all His pleasure.” is NOT a quote from the Bible! Rather its origin appears to be from the following verses in the Bible,
Psalms 115:3. Our God is in the heavens;
he does whatever he pleases. (NRSV)
Isaiah 46:10. declaring the end from the beginning
and from ancient times things not yet done,
saying, “My purpose shall stand,
and I will fulfill my intention,” (NRSV)
Ephesians 1:11. In Christ we have also obtained an inheritance, having been destined according to the purpose of him who accomplishes all things according to his counsel and will, (NRSV)
Incontrovertible objective fact:
Psalms 115:3 and Isaiah 46:10 are written in ancient Hebrew poetry.
Incontrovertible objective fact:
The Psalms in their entirety are poems, and much of Isaiah is written in poetry rather than prose. Ephesians 1:11 is part of the doxology found in Ephesians 1:3-14 which in the Greek text includes one main clause (“Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ”) and many subordinate clauses and hence it is one complex sentence—the whole of which is a doxology.
Incontrovertible objective facts:
Ancient Hebrew poetry does NOT express objective information—it expresses feelings and emotions. Doxologies from the New Testament do NOT express objective information any more than do eulogies at a funeral. However, ancient Hebrew prose when found in the genre of literature known as the historical narrative does express objective information:
1. The word of the Lord came to Jonah a second time, saying,
2. “Get up, go to Nineveh, that great city, and proclaim to it the message that I tell you.”
3. So Jonah set out and went to Nineveh, according to the word of the Lord. Now Nineveh was an exceedingly large city, a three days' walk across.
4. Jonah began to go into the city, going a day's walk. And he cried out, "Forty days more, and Nineveh shall be overthrown!"
5. And the people of Nineveh believed God; they proclaimed a fast, and everyone, great and small, put on sackcloth.
6. When the news reached the king of Nineveh, he rose from his throne, removed his robe, covered himself with sackcloth, and sat in ashes.
7. Then he had a proclamation made in Nineveh: "By the decree of the king and his nobles: No human being or animal, no herd or flock, shall taste anything. They shall not feed, nor shall they drink water.
8. Human beings and animals shall be covered with sackcloth, and they shall cry mightily to God. All shall turn from their evil ways and from the violence that is in their hands.
9. Who knows? God may relent and change his mind; he may turn from his fierce anger, so that we do not perish."
10. When God saw what they did, how they turned from their evil ways, God changed his mind about the calamity that he had said he would bring upon them; and he did not do it. (NRSV)
These objective facts prove that the statement, “for “His counsel shall stand, and He will do all His pleasure” is charged with feeling and emotions rather than objective biblical information. The objective biblical information is that God, when new information comes to His attention, changes his plans accordingly—even in cases of unforeseen genuine repentance.
Roman’s 10:14. how can they call upon Him whom they have not believed?
Silverhair
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Rom 10:8 But what does it say? "THE WORD IS NEAR YOU, IN YOUR MOUTH AND IN YOUR HEART"—that is, the word of faith which we are preaching,
Rom 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;
Rom 10:10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.
Rom 10:11 For the Scripture says, "WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED."
Rom 10:12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him;
Rom 10:13 for "WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED."
Rom 10:14 How then will they call on Him in whom they have not believed? How will they believe in Him whom they have not heard? And how will they hear without a preacher?
You could have just read the verse {Rom 10:14} in context or even just read the whole verse to get your answer.
That is why we are to spread the gospel message so that people can hear and respond in faith and God will respond to their faith by graciously saving them.
So the will of God was that Adam not eat the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. We know this because God told Adam not to eat from it. The commandment is simple enough to show that God did not will Adam to sin.
But Adam did sin. How can Adam go against the Words of God. By Calvinist logic, Adam is greater than God.
By reasonable logic, Adam had free agency.
And divine determinism on every molecule is not what is meant by Is. 46. Divine Sovereignty is an acceptable answer given a reasonable understanding of the word. Everything is subject to God rather than everything does exactly what God determined.
Anyone who removes free agency from man, in sin or salvation, lacks a depth of understanding necessary to read the Bible with good understanding. It is clearly stated that God gives salvation and it is not of sinful men. It is equally clear that salvation can be neglected and denied.
You are speaking of a different God??? Mal.3 describes the God who exists;6 For I am the Lord, I do not change; therefore you, O sons of Jacob, are not consumed. 7 From the days of your fathers you have gone away from My ordinances and have not kept them. Return to Me, and I will return to you, says the Lord of Hosts.
When you say God receives "new information" you betray the fact that you do not understand what has already been revealed in scripture about the true and living God. The biblical God has no "unforeseen events" of any kind! Friend, a good study of the attributes of God would help you.