Now I’m really ticked, they want to vax the little ones!

[JonC]

So you are then assimilated into the fear freak culture! No don’t bother to deny it, you da man.

Lol.

No. I do not fear the freaks or the outliers. I just do not believe we should validate the outliers simply because they are outliers.

I do not trust the pro-vaccine folks or the anti-vaccine folks. They are just sheeple.... political pawns and internet masters of their own desires.

What I see are some assimilated into pro-vaccine sew a mask onto your face camp - BUT the counter-side is more vocal. They are assimilated into the anti-vax conspiracy theory camp.

I'm unaffiliated. Pretty much ambivalent about whether people get vaccinated or not.

 

[Reynolds]

I need more than hearsay.

But I am not saying who you should or should not believe.

I am relying on experience and figures where I live.

So I know 100% that unvax people are suffering more severely and dying of vovid (including children). And I know that vaccine people are having mild symptoms.

I know kids are having blood clots, organ damage, and strokes even from mild cases of covid.

Now....maybe it is the air where I live that is combining with the vaccine to help people- and maybe the trees in the CSRA is making the unvaccinated so sick.

I really do not know. But until kids start dying of the vaccine in the CSRA, until vaccinated people start dying of the vaccine, and until the unvacvinated stop dying I probably will not be persuaded (unless of course I'm one who dies of the vaccine....then I really don't care).

Basically the reports you offer contradict what I see in my own area. Do I do not believe your reports are correct.

Now, IF where you live vaccinated people are dropping like flies but unvaccinated people are not getting sick, then I recommend you rely on your observations and not what mine.

That is about as fair as I can be.

I could probably find you a link to the interview, they disappear quickly, but I doubt you would watch it. If you watch the July 28 video, I will dig and find the vax injured kid. If not, no point wasting my time.
Y'all must have a different strand in Augusta than we having in Elbert, Hart, Franklin, Madison counties. Everybody getting mildly symptomatic. Very few hospitilizations. Have not heard of any deaths except elderly.
Facts not adding up. Delta is the India variant. India treated it very effectively with the cocktail. Y'all's docs must have head stuck up CDC tail and not using it.

 

[JonC]

@JonC . Got a serious question for you.
You remember the old ethics questions that were used on L E. And Military psychiatric evaluations? One was do you torture or execute one enemy combattant to save the lives of 100 of your troops/citizens? 1000? 10,000? 1,000,000?
The proper answer was no. No number saved justifies the immoral cruelty to the one. (I personally kind of disagree, but irreverent). If you answered that it did justify, you were not getting promoted. The same system that says it is immoral to torture one to save a million from a suitcase nuke, says it's ok to maim, cripple, mentally damage, and ruin the life of and even kill some to save the lives of many.
It looks like your side is failing its own classical morality test.

The problem is your example does not apply.

If you could save one life, would you?

Tylenol has killed hundreds of young men and women. My aunt died of an accidental Tyrol overdose last month. We had a friend in TN who lost their daughter to Tylenol.

The same can be said of alive and aspirin.

People have died of blood pressure medication.

No medication is without risk.

Are you suggesting medication is evil?

What about peanut butter? How many accidental deaths are acceptable before we outlaw nuts (not you and me, but the kind that come from plants)?

 

[JonC]

I could probably find you a link to the interview, they disappear quickly, but I doubt you would watch it. Of you watch the July 28 video, I will dig and find the vax injured kid. If not, no point wasting my time.
Y'all must have a different strand in Augusta than we having in Elbert, Hart, Franklin, Madison counties. Everybody getting mildly symptomatic. Very few hospitilizations. Have not heard of any deaths except elderly.
Facts not adding up. Delta is the India variant. India treated it very effectively with the cocktail. Y'all's docs must have head stuck up CDC tail and not using it.

Not interested in an interview.

If YOU know these people personally then I will listen because I think you an honest man. But I can watch interviews of people who were abducted by aliens and have the scars to prove it.

 

[Reynolds]

The problem is your example does not apply.

If you could save one life, would you?

Tylenol has killed hundreds of young men and women. My aunt died of an accidental Tyrol overdose last month. We had a friend in TN who lost their daughter to Tylenol.

The same can be said of alive and aspirin.

People have died of blood pressure medication.

No medication is without risk.

Are you suggesting medication is evil?

What about peanut butter? How many accidental deaths are acceptable before we outlaw nuts (not you and me, but the kind that come from plants)?

My example does apply. In treating a patient, a Dr. Is supposed to determine what is best for that one patient. Vaxes are the good of the many vs the good of the one. If the vax is truly thought to be best for the one, then use it. If it's to protect the many, it is unethical. I don't take BP meds for the many. I take them for me.

 

[Reynolds]

Not interested in an interview.

If YOU know these people personally then I will listen because I think you an honest man. But I can watch interviews of people who were abducted by aliens and have the scars to prove it.

That's what I figured. You don't trust a Dr because you don't know him. Don't trust his documents. You don't want to watch him show documents where CDC and FDA call vaxes "genetic therapy" and "gene therapy"". You don't trust a story by a mother who has documentation and credible verification. The news is totally one sided on this. Not long ago, saying virus was lab created got you social media banned. Now everyone and their brother knows it was. Even blabbering senile Joe knows it. This was a Chinese military attack. If our govt continues to lie about that, why believe anything else they say?
Look for vaccine injury cases. Google won't find them for you. That's kind of odd too. It's totalitarian censorship. When one side scrubs all opposing evidence, it should make an intelligent man really think. If you are right, you don't scrub and censor. You do that when you are hiding something.
When you are right, you welcome debate. You do not shut it down. A very pro vax Dr on TV warned that the secrecy and censorship was why people are not taking the vaccine. He said "Welcome and win the argument."
You can look up how successful India was treating Delta once they started using cocktail. But wait. You don't know the Indian Doctors, so never mind.

 

[JonC]

My example does apply. In treating a patient, a Dr. Is supposed to determine what is best for that one patient. Vaxes are the good of the many vs the good of the one. If the vax is truly thought to be best for the one, then use it. If it's to protect the many, it is unethical. I don't take BP meds for the many. I take them for me.

Not really. Triage.

I did not take the covid vaccine for the many. I took it for me.

Vaccines do not protect the many. They protect individual people.

 

[JonC]

That's what I figured. You don't trust a Dr because you don't know him. Don't trust his documents. You don't want to watch him show documents where CDC and FDA call vaxes "genetic therapy" and "gene therapy"". You don't trust a story by a mother who has documentation and credible verification. The news is totally one sided on this. Not long ago, saying virus was lab created got you social media banned. Now everyone and their brother knows it was. Even blabbering senile Joe knows it. This was a Chinese military attack. If our govt continues to lie about that, why believe anything else they say?
Look for vaccine injury cases. Google won't find them for you. That's kind of odd too. It's totalitarian censorship. When one side scrubs all opposing evidence, it should make an intelligent man really think. If you are right, you don't scrub and censor. You do that when you are hiding something.
When you are right, you welcome debate. You do not shut it down. A very pro vax Dr on TV warned that the secrecy and censorship was why people are not taking the vaccine. He said "Welcome and win the argument."
You can look up how successful India was treating Delta once they started using cocktail. But wait. You don't know the Indian Doctors, so never mind.

I do trust some doctors, but at the same time I know many treatments are just best guesses.

Do you trust the doctors who say the vaccine is much safer for people than not being vaccinated? They are doctors, so I take it you must.

 

[Reynolds]

Not really. Triage.

I did not take the covid vaccine for the many. I took it for me.

Vaccines do not protect the many. They protect individual people.

Ok. If true, then the entire pro vax machine is telling lies. Non sterilizing vaxes protect the many. They rely on herd immunity.
I heard a pro vax doctor on radio raging because he was saying the vax is rapidly becoming non effective because of the unvaxed. Said we have a short window to 100% vax or we lose the battle against Covid. Seems to me he thinks vaxes are for the many.

 

[Reynolds]

I do trust some doctors, but at the same time I know many treatments are just best guesses.

Do you trust the doctors who say the vaccine is much safer for people than not being vaccinated? They are doctors, so I take it you must.

With the exception of those with a financial stake, I trust that they are giving their heart felt opinion. I believe I should look at the evidence they present.
Its kind of like fossil fuel global warming. They won't give evidence, they simply demean and censor the opposition.
The Dr I watched in 28th episode showed evidence of MRNA crossing into brain, heart, and every other organ. He gave the animal studies done years ago that showed it would happen, current autopsy results that confirmed, and admission from one of the vax makers it's happening.

 

[Hannahande]

This is an interesting thread. On a personal note, some comments are really valid ones and other comments seem to be something said or carried because it is believed by the majority.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Not really. Triage.

I did not take the covid vaccine for the many. I took it for me.

Vaccines do not protect the many. They protect individual people.

Or get them sick, or die. See you see it (perceive it) as a legitimate vaccine... a cure all if you will. But I see it for what it is, an experimental genetic drug that’s being tested on us. Therefore bad things are bound to happen.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

BTW Jon... and you don’t have to answer me because the question is personal... are you a government employee?

 

[Wingman68]

Jon won’t want to waste his time on this either.

http://www.zephaniah.eu/index_htm_files/The Rider on the White Horse Deagel Projections and Vaccine Choices.pdf

 

[Scott Downey]

Jon won’t want to waste his time on this either.

http://www.zephaniah.eu/index_htm_files/The Rider on the White Horse Deagel Projections and Vaccine Choices.pdf

I just found another common drug which works well treating covid, started a thread on it.
My opinion about the suppression of treatment is they dont want any approved treatment for covid. The reason is the democrats know perpetuating the covid 'pandemic' gives them more political power and control over people, and helped them paint Trump as a buffoon to keep him from reelection (along with their cheating ways).

Deagel has pulled their projections offline recently, they are quite shocking for the US but not for many other countries like India, China Russia.
People here in the US do seem to be becoming more demonically influenced than they were, even recently.

 

[Scott Downey]

Regarding the vaccine choice for the USA and Deagel forecast, only 4% of people here have gotten the Jansen vaccine.
Vast majority have gotten the mRNA spike protein spreading through all organs vaccine. So if the basic premise is true, then it is those mRNA vaccines which are going to cause havoc with the great dying forecast event over the next 5 years. And if we go from 350 million people to 100 million people, the vaccine does not kill all people, some are survivors. Of course we dont know what health issues and quality of life they will have.

 

[Scott Downey]

Department of Justice Declares That All Vaccines Mandates are *Legal* - Becker News
Biden's DOJ says can be enforced, legal to say you must be vaccinated.

De Blasio wants non voluntary mandated vaccinations.
So what will politicians do with those who refuse", Jail them?
De Blasio Warns That Tougher COVID Regulations are Coming: 'The Voluntary Phase is Over' - Becker News

 

[NewMusic]

In both Australia and Israel, all the newest reports of Covid are in people who got the vaccine.

The study I mentioned in another thread, from 2015 -- the evolution of the vaccine used on chickens against Merkes disease, made the vaccinated chickens shed 10,000 times more virus cells through their feathers and infected the healthy chickens.

Merkes disease turns the chicken's brain to mush. It cost the industry $2 Billion. The chickens that were not vaccinated, allowing the virus to run its course, killed off Merkes disease in short time, whereas the vaccine caused Merkes disease to have new and longer life doing the exact opposite of what the farmers needed.

 

[Wingman68]

Regarding the vaccine choice for the USA and Deagel forecast, only 4% of people here have gotten the Jansen vaccine.
Vast majority have gotten the mRNA spike protein spreading through all organs vaccine. So if the basic premise is true, then it is those mRNA vaccines which are going to cause havoc with the great dying forecast event over the next 5 years. And if we go from 350 million people to 100 million people, the vaccine does not kill all people, some are survivors. Of course we dont know what health issues and quality of life they will have.

Did it appear to you that the entire intent of what is happening is targeted to eliminate Christians? Looks like it. If I were planning a great reset………………

 

[JonC]

Ok. If true, then the entire pro vax machine is telling lies. Non sterilizing vaxes protect the many. They rely on herd immunity.
I heard a pro vax doctor on radio raging because he was saying the vax is rapidly becoming non effective because of the unvaxed. Said we have a short window to 100% vax or we lose the battle against Covid. Seems to me he thinks vaxes are for the many.

As a whole, the unvaccinsted are perhaps an issue. But people have the right to make their own decisions about their health even if it results in their death.

‘I’m sorry, but it’s too late’: Alabama doctor tells unvaccinated, dying COVID patients

‘It’s too late’: Doctor tells patients dying of COVID-19, begging for vaccine | WFLA

“You kind of go into it thinking, ‘Okay, I’m not going to feel bad for this person, because they make their own choice,’” Cobia said. “But then you actually see them, you see them face to face, and it really changes your whole perspective, because they’re still just a person that thinks that they made the best decision that they could with the information that they have, and all the misinformation that’s out there."


But vaccines themselves protect the individual. In the long run, I guess they also protect the whole as this is how viruses are often eliminated. But this is done by protecting the life of the few.

And I am not sure that viruses that do not prevent the disease (like with the covid vaccine, the measles vaccine, and the flu vacvine) can eliminated the disease.