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BobRyan

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hint - at the start of day TWO we have the WORLD with water and LIGHT and ROTATION -- but NO moon, NO Sun, NO plants, NO dry land and NO life of any kind.

Question - is this "God messing up on day TWO the way J Jump claims He messed up just BEFORE day ONE"???

in Christ,

Bob
 
I believe that the reason God did not say it was good at the end of the second day was because He knew that the very waters He separated at that time would once again come together and flood the whole earth.
 

Hope of Glory

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BobRyan said:
While I agree with you on the literal six days I do not agree with the example given.

#1. There is s difference between a literary device like Chiastic verse and parables. While it is true that we are not to force parables to "Walk on all fours" it is NOT TRUE that truth (theology, doctrine etc) can not be actually valid if presented in chiastic format. The chiasm is merely there to add emphasis and meaning at an even higher level than the literal truth presented. It is like a 3-D picture instead of just 2-D it does not take anything away from the 2-D features -- it only ADDs.

Having said that I DO agree with you that those attacking Genesis try to hide that attack under a "this is nothing more than a hymn about the easter bunny that has some good morals to it" disguise.

And this is exactly the point that I was making.

Whether someone uses the idea that it's poetry to try to discredit it or not, does not change whether it is poetry.

Denying that it is poetry simply denies the truth as presented by many, many scholars. Which, BTW, is not new or novel. The first time I heard it was in the 70's, and I doubt it was new then. It wasn't new in Jewish circles; maybe it was new in Baptist circles, and I was hearing it in the first Baptist church ever. But, I doubt it.

We have to look at Scriptures, as they are presented, and derive truth from them; not deny the Scriptures, as they are presented, to "prove" the pet "truth" that we hold so dear. (Which, BTW, that pet truth might just be correct, but if you don't compare it to the Scriptures as they are presented, you'll never know...)
 

Hope of Glory

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BobRyan said:
Hint: Exodus 20 is not a Chiasm -- so the "debate over poetry" should die it's wn death if scripture is read.

hint: EXEGESIS of the text SHOWS that the days ARE in fact real literal days that correspond to our present week.

BTW, the fact that they are presented as poetry is not the reason that I say that the grammar does not require it to be six literal days.

But, I agree completely with your second statement that clear exegesis shows that they are probably six literal days.

My point being that denying the poetry that is existent in the text doesn't bolster anyone's argument, either pro or con.

BTW, how long was Jesus dead?
 

Hope of Glory

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DHK said:
Exodus 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

I go to Fairbanks for six days, with only about an hour of slow internet service per day, and look what happens!

Now, I want you to compare Exodus 20:11 and Genesis 1:1. I'll post the entire definition at the end of the post (as long as the Hebrew shows up), but I want to highlight the relevant parts. The first excerpt is from Exodus 20:11 and the second from Genesis 1:1:

From Exodus 20:11, we see that he "made": make, i.e., to fashion or create an object, usually implying the use of existing materials

From Genesis 1:1, we see that he "created": create, i.e., make something that has not been in existence beforehttp://www.baptistboard.com/#_ftn1 http://www.baptistboard.com/#_ftnref1



Two entirely different words, yet we still want to say they're exactly the same thing.

Well, I can "create" (make) a great meal, but I can't "create" (create) a great meal.

Now, the implications of the words can overlap, but the overlapping isn't in the "creating from nothing" category.
6913 I. עָשָׂה (˓ā∙śā(h)): v.; ≡ Str 6213; TWOT 1708, 1709—1. LN 42.7-42.28 (qal) do, i.e., perform or act. out an event, highly generic, of almost any kind or manner (1Sa 1:23); (qal pass.) be done (Ex 38:24); (nif) be done, happen (Ge 20:9b); 2. LN 42.29-42.40 (qal) make, i.e., to fashion or create an object, usually implying the use of existing materials (Ge 1:26); (qal pass.) be made, created, fashioned (2Ki 23:4); (nif) be made (1Ki 10:20); (piel) see 6914; (pual) made, be created (Ps 139:15+); 3. LN 13.1-13.47 (qal) cause, make, bring about, i.e., bring about a state or event (Ps 111:4); 4. LN 42.41-42.50 (qal) work, labor, i.e., expend considerable effort and activity in any task or endeavor (Ex 31:4), note: in some contexts possibly involving skill or special knowledge, so with a focus on creating or fashioning an object; 5. LN 41.1-41.24 (qal) do, act., i.e., behave or have conduct in a particular way (Dt 17:11); 6. LN 37.96-37.107 (qal) assign, i.e., cause another to have particular task or function, usually with an assumption of responsibilities (Nu 8:26); 7. LN 57.189-57.208 (qal) gain, profit, i.e., make financial progress, usually as any business endeavor or any other financial dealings (Ge 31:1), note: for MT text in 1Ki 11:25, see 889; note: for qal act. ptcp. as n.masc., see 6914.5; note: further study may yield more domains​
http://www.baptistboard.com/#_ftn16

1343 I. בָּרָא (bā∙rā(˒)): v.; ≡ Str 1254; TWOT 278—1. LN 42.29-42.40 (qal) create, i.e., make something that has not been in existence before (Ge 1:1); (nif) be created (Ge 2:4); 2. LN 42.29-42.40 make, form or fashion something out of elements that exist (Ge 6:7; Isa 65:18; Jer 31:22); 3. LN 42.7-42.28 do, i.e., bring about, perform a task, with an emphasis on the uniqueness of the event (Ex 34:10; Nu 16:30; Isa 45:7); 4. LN 90.51-90.55 causes something to happen (Am 4:13); 5. LN 12.1-12.42 (qal act. ptcp.) the Creator, i.e., a title of a supernatural being (Ecc 12:1; Isa 40:28; 43:15+); 6. LN 13.67 unit: בָּרָא לְ־ ־ִי טָהֹור לֵב (bā∙rā(˒) l- -î ṭā∙hôr lēḇ) restore my purity, formally, make for me a pure heart, i.e., bring back to a prior state (PS 51:12[EB 10]+)​
http://www.baptistboard.com/#_ftn11
http://www.baptistboard.com/#_ftnref11Swanson, James: Dictionary of Biblical Languages With Semantic Domains : Hebrew (Old Testament). electronic ed. Oak Harbor : Logos Research Systems, Inc., 1997, S. DBLH 1343, #6
 

Hope of Glory

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DHK said:
When one makes an assertion he must have the evidence to back it up.
I thought I posted this, but my battery may have died first. But, it's pretty easy to Google "chiastic structure Genesis 1" and get a whole page of those who easily see it, and most of them believe in a literal six day restoration.

But, in any case, simply click here

Beyond that, the only source you quoted wrote a book only in the last few years, and at least two of us here on this discussion have been aware of it for much longer. (One of the links above I am personally familiar with, and it also dates back prior to the reference you mentioned.)

BTW, as far as evidence goes, I posted the structure and the structure within the structure.
 

Hope of Glory

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DHK said:
JJump says: There is a T-Rex buried under your house.

DHK says: There is not, You must prove to me that there is a T-Rex there

JJump says; No, I don't. You have to prove that there isn't one.

DHK says the standard orthodox position throughout all of history is that houses are not built on top of T-Rex.'s. You prove to me that there is a T-Rex under my house.

JJump says: Pharisees were orthodox too! Where did that get them? You need to prove your position that there is no T-Rex under your house. Why should all the people just believe what you say!!!

--And so your logic keeps going in circles. I don't have to defend your position, in order to defend mine. And that is what you are asking me to do.

The difference being that when J. Jump showed you the T-Rex and you said, "No it isn't!" it is then up to you to prove that it's not a T-Rex. You could do that by proving that it is in fact his pet dog Rex. Or, it just might be a T-Rex fossil.
 

BobRyan

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The burden of proof is always on the one making the claim. If someone claims that the easter bunny lives in a cave under your house - the burden of proof is on them -- not on you to demolish your house and dig until you "don't find the Easter Bunny".

I thought that was the part we ALL agreed on!??

in Christ,

Bob
 

BobRyan

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Hope of Glory said:
I thought I posted this, but my battery may have died first. But, it's pretty easy to Google "chiastic structure Genesis 1" and get a whole page of those who easily see it,

Chiastic does not mean "not literally true" sir.

I would also agree that the structure exists for Gen 1 and 2 -- but I would deny that Chiasm has EVER been shown to mean "not really true".

and most of them believe in a literal six day restoration.

Restoration??? That does not occur in ALL of Genesis 1 and 2 NOR in the SUMMARY to Gen 1-2:3 that GOD gives in Exodus 20:8-11

Created (Gen 2:3-4) does not mean RESTORE.

MADE (Gen 2:3-4) does NOT mean RESTORE.

in Christ,

Bob
 

BobRyan

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Hope of Glory said:
BTW, how long was Jesus dead?

They used inclusive reconning.

What we do not see is "Evening and morning were the first day... evening and morning were the second day... evening and morning were the third day".

In The gospels it is stated "on the third day... IN three days...AFTER three days". In Luke 23 as they walk to Emmaus the disciples say to the resurrected living Christ "this IS the Third day".
 

J. Jump

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Question - is this "God messing up on day TWO the way J Jump claims He messed up just BEFORE day ONE"???
And a dishonest question at that, but again it's no surprise coming from you.

Again you and DHK and others that think like you "say" the right things. Oh God is a God of order and God is a God of perfection, yet you believe that God created something that wasn't perfect to start with or otherwise.

God doesn't start with a blob and then just work on it for a few days. Why would He do that when He can speak absolute perfection into existence.

Why would He used the word "made" when it would have been just as easy and far less confusing to use "create" in Exodus 20 and other places. Even talking about the heavens and earth in the Psalms the word "made" is used.

There are just way too many ifs, ands and buts for a six-day creation cycle with a seventh-day of rest. But to each His own. We have hashed out the evidence and the readers should be able to make a well informed decision.
 

J. Jump

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The burden of proof is always on the one making the claim.
Call me crazy but in a debate there are "two" sides that are making a claim. Yet there is always one side that doesn't have to do anything, but sit back and say no that's not it. Don't believe it. Believe me because I say so.

And this is really only true in debate. When it comes to Scripture it's not the job of anyone to "prove" that something is true. The Holy Spirit is the one that convicts of Truth. We are just responsible for laying the Truth out as it has been given to us.

If the Holy Spirit convicts that those opposing you actually have the Truth then it is on you to make the necessary changes to your doctrine to reflect Truth.

I myself used to believe in the six-day creation, seventh-day of rest cycle. But that was before I actually studied it out for myself. It doesn't make any sense now. I believe the Holy Spirit has led me to His Truth on the matter, so that's what I share.
 
The six-day creation is factual.

The Word of God clearly states

Genesis 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

Genesis 1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

Genesis 1:13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

Genesis 1:19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

Genesis 1:23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.

Genesis 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

It was not until the end of the sixth day that God declared that all that He had made was "very good".

God then rested on the seventh day from the work that He had made.

To make this creation account any less days than six, or any more than six is saying one doubts the truth of God's Word and His work.
 

Hope of Glory

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DHK said:
Vain simply means empty. The world was created empty--uninhabited.
Read what Henry Morris says on Genesis 1:2 from his book "The Genesis Record:

Then, DHK quoted Henry Morris:

It is significant that every verse in the first chapter of Genesis (except Genesis 1:1) begins with the conjunction “And” (Hebrew waw).

Once again, why not deal from the realm of what it says, and what it says is the "waw" can be conjunctive or disjunctive. It's not alway conjunctive, by any means of the imagination.

The “waw” can be either conjunctive or disjunctive, depending upon the conditional clauses involved and their relationship to verse 1. What are the three conditional clauses?

1. The earth was without form and void
2. and darkness was upon the face of the deep
3. and the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Are these three clauses connected inseparably to verse 1? If yes, and verse 1 is the absolute beginning, then verse 2 would have to describe how God created them (without form and void). This would mean that the beginning of verse 2 would describe the condition of the earth at the time of the action in verse 1. Then, the six subsequent days would describe how God completed the creation, step by step.

So, if "waw" is conjunctive, then either God created something imperfect or verse 1 does not describe an absolute beginning. God cannot be perfect and create something imperfect. James 3:11 asks the rhetorical question “Doth a fountain send forth at the same place sweet water and bitter?”

Therefore, verse 2 should begin with “but”, not “and”. As a matter of fact, if you look in the Septuagint, you will find that the Hebrew scholars who translated the Hebrew to Greek used the word “but”, just as it is used in Matthew 3:7, which begins with "But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism..."

When used in the disjunctive sense, Genesis 1:2 is not inseparably connected to verse 1: A separation would exist. Verse 1 would be the absolute beginning and verse 2 begins events occurring later. Creation is perfect; six days to restore.
 

Hope of Glory

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BobRyan said:
The burden of proof is always on the one making the claim. If someone claims that the easter bunny lives in a cave under your house - the burden of proof is on them -- not on you to demolish your house and dig until you "don't find the Easter Bunny".

Which I did. I posted the entire structure and the structure within the structure. I think I posted the link to the search previously, as well, but I may have just done so for the first time.

So, I have presented one proof in the past, with the second proof posted in the past, or just now.

To which, DHK claims, "No it isn't!"

It is now up to him to prove his claim.
 

Hope of Glory

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BobRyan said:
Chiastic does not mean "not literally true" sir.

By your statement, you seem to be implying that I have said that it means "not really true".

Please show me where I've ever made that statement.

I challenge you to show it.
 

Hope of Glory

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BobRyan said:
They used inclusive reconning.

It's stated explicitly:

Matthew 12:40: For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
 

DHK

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Hope of Glory said:
Then, DHK quoted Henry Morris:



Once again, why not deal from the realm of what it says, and what it says is the "waw" can be conjunctive or disjunctive. It's not alway conjunctive, by any means of the imagination.

The “waw” can be either conjunctive or disjunctive, depending upon the conditional clauses involved and their relationship to verse 1. What are the three conditional clauses?

1. The earth was without form and void
2. and darkness was upon the face of the deep
3. and the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Are these three clauses connected inseparably to verse 1? If yes, and verse 1 is the absolute beginning, then verse 2 would have to describe how God created them (without form and void). This would mean that the beginning of verse 2 would describe the condition of the earth at the time of the action in verse 1. Then, the six subsequent days would describe how God completed the creation, step by step.
And that is exactly what happened (according to Morris) which makes perfect sense. God describes what happened step by step from verse one onward. Then after the sixth day he looks on all his creation and declares it is very good. It is not finished or complete (perfect) after day one or even day five. Not until day six could God rest or cease from his creation and call it very good.
So, if "waw" is conjunctive, then either God created something imperfect or verse 1 does not describe an absolute beginning.
Flawed logic. "Because my theology doesnt fit the KJV translation, the KJV translation must be wrong." Is that the way it works? No. The KJV is perfectly accurate in this translation as vaw is translated as an conjunctive 98% of the time. You are trying to give it an obscure meaning to make it fit an obscure theory of creation.
God cannot be perfect and create something imperfect. James 3:11 asks the rhetorical question “Doth a fountain send forth at the same place sweet water and bitter?”
James is speaking of the tongue, not creation.
God did not create something imperfect. He created everything in steps. His final creation was not finished until the sixth day.

Here is confusion and chaos according to your theory:

The creation of plants:
Genesis 1:11-13 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good. And the evening and the morning were the third day.

The creation of insects:
Genesis 1:20-23 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good. And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth. And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.

Genesis 1:24-27 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good. And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Genesis 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Here are the facts. God created the fruit bearing trees and other such plants way back on the third day. Then he created insects (perhaps some on the fifth day that originated from the water0, but most of them, like the bee, on the sixth day. Fruit bearing trees cannot exist without bees. The bees are needed to pollinate the trees as are most flowers. The plants were created even before the sun and moons. They could last a day or two. But this completely blows the day age theory where one day is supposed to equal a thousand years. Not many of these plants could endure a thosand years of darkness. For the plants and bees to be created two days apart would be death to all the plants if the days were not 24 hour days. It would be impossible for them to be anything else but 24 hour days if the plants were to live. The plants need the bees to live. It is a fact of life. All nature lives in harmony with each other. They are dependent on each other. God made it that way--with an inward clock of 24 hour days. Nothing else works.

Having said that and demonstrated that, God's creation was step by step. It was not complete or perfect until after the sixth day. The plants were an incomplete and unfinished creation with the insects (like the bees) being created. Thus your argument about God creating an incomplete or imperfect creation holds no water.
Therefore, verse 2 should begin with “but”, not “and”. As a matter of fact, if you look in the Septuagint, you will find that the Hebrew scholars who translated the Hebrew to Greek used the word “but”, just as it is used in Matthew 3:7, which begins with "But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism..."
The Septuagint is one translation of many, and a very bad translation with many mistakes in it. It is not trustworthy. It is necessary to go back to the Hebrew, not unreliable translations. Why not go back to Hindi, Arabic, German, Maori, Cree, etc. They are all simply translations. One translatioin is not any better than another in spite of antiquity. Meaning is lost in all translations.
Verse 2 should start with the word "and" as it is translated in 98% of all other cases. There is no reason for an exception here, except for someone's preconcieved idea, right?
When used in the disjunctive sense, Genesis 1:2 is not inseparably connected to verse 1: A separation would exist. Verse 1 would be the absolute beginning and verse 2 begins events occurring later. Creation is perfect; six days to restore.
Creation is perfect; you are just confused about the facts of creation and refuse to accept a literal 24 hour creation, so you will determine in yourself to find another way in spite of what the Bible says, even if it means changing the obvious meaning of the words of the Bible. That is going to extremes.
But Genesis 1:1, contrary to your objections is connected to Genesis 1:2, so your objections is removed, and thus your presuppositions are removed. You just don't want to remove them, and so you must change the meanings of words deliberately. Verse one is an absolute beginning of creation according to Morris. You ought to read his book, "The Genesis Record." It is fascination reading, and since Morris is both a scientist as well as a Bible scholar he does know what he is talking about.
 

Hope of Glory

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DHK said:
The KJV is perfectly accurate in this translation as vaw is translated as an conjunctive 98% of the time.

Actually, the "waw" is conjuctive about two-thirds of the time, and I trust Hebrew scholars who translated the LXX more than I trust the Gospel According to DHK.

Now, curiously, most translations that I have in my possession disagree with the Gospel According to DHK. Let's see what they have to say:

NET (I'll include their note at the end of this post; the numbers in the verse correspond to notes): Now5 the earth6 was without shape and empty,7 and darkness8 was over the surface of the watery deep,9 but the Spirit of God10 was moving11 over the surface12 of the water.13

REV: Now, the earth, had become waste and wild, and darkness, was on the face of the roaring deep,—but, the Spirit of God, was brooding on the face of the waters,

CLV: Yet the earth became a chaos and vacant, and darkness was on the surface of the submerged chaos. Yet the spirit of the Elohim is vibrating over the surface of the water.

LXX: ἡ δὲ γῆ ἦν ἀόρατος καὶ ἀκατασκεύαστος, καὶ σκότος ἐπάνω τῆς ἀβύσσου, καὶ πνεῦμα θεοῦ ἐπεφέρετο ἐπάνω τοῦ ὕδατος.

The ESV, NASB, NIV, NCV, NLT, and YLT simply omit the "waw".

The ones that have a conjuntion are: KJV and the ASV. (See, I realize there are two sides to the issue and don't try to obfuscate the issue by ignoring things.)

So, 2 have a conjunction, 4 are disjunctive, and the rest simply avoid the issue.

Here are the NET notes. I've highlighted a few things, and also think you should notice the changes for water used in the verse:

Gen 1:2 -

5 tn The disjunctive clause (conjunction + subject + verb) at the beginning of Gen_1:2 gives background information for the following narrative, explaining the state of things when "God said..." (Gen_1:3). Verse one is a title to the chapter, Gen_1:2 provides information about the state of things when God spoke, and Gen_1:3 begins the narrative per se with the typical narrative construction (vav consecutive followed by the prefixed verbal form). (This literary structure is paralleled in the second portion of the book: Gen_1:4 provides the title or summary of what follows, Gen_1:5-6 use disjunctive clause structures to give background information for the following narrative, and Gen_1:7 begins the narrative with the vav consecutive attached to a prefixed verbal form.) Some translate Gen_1:2 (i.e., Genesis 1:2a) "and the earth became," arguing that Gen_1:1 describes the original creation of the earth, while Gen_1:2 refers to a judgment that reduced it to a chaotic condition. Verses Gen_1:3 (i.e., Genesis 1:3ff.) then describe the re-creation of the earth. However, the disjunctive clause at the beginning of Gen_1:2 cannot be translated as if it were relating the next event in a sequence. If Gen_1:2 were sequential to Gen_1:1, the author would have used the vav consecutive followed by a prefixed verbal form and the subject.

6 tn That is, what we now call "the earth." The creation of the earth as we know it is described in Gen_1:9-10. Prior to this the substance which became the earth (= dry land) lay dormant under the water.

7 tn Traditional translations have followed a more literal rendering of "waste and void." The words describe a condition that is without form and empty. What we now know as "the earth" was actually an unfilled mass covered by water and darkness. Later תהו and בהו, when used in proximity, describe a situation resulting from judgment (Isa_34:11; Jer_4:23). Both prophets may be picturing judgment as the reversal of creation in which God's judgment causes the world to revert to its primordial condition. This later use of the terms has led some to conclude that Gen_1:2 presupposes the judgment of a prior world, but it is unsound method to read the later application of the imagery (in a context of judgment) back into Gen_1:2.

8 sn Darkness. The Hebrew word simply means "darkness," but in the Bible it has come to symbolize what opposes God, such as judgment (Exo_10:21), death (Psa_88:13), oppression (Isa_9:1), the wicked (1Sa_2:9) and in general, sin. In Isa_45:7 it parallels "evil." It is a fitting cover for the primeval waste, but it prepares the reader for the fact that God is about to reveal himself through his works.

9 tn The Hebrew term תְּהוֹם (tehôm, "deep") refers to the watery deep, the salty ocean--especially the primeval ocean that surrounds and underlies the earth (see Gen_7:11).

sn The watery deep. In the Babylonian account of creation Marduk killed the goddess Tiamat (the salty sea) and used her carcass to create heaven and earth. The form of the Hebrew word for "deep" is distinct enough from the name "Tiamat" to deny direct borrowing; however, it is possible that there is a polemical stress here. Ancient Israel does not see the ocean as a powerful deity to be destroyed in creation, only a force of nature that can be controlled by God.

10 tn The traditional rendering "Spirit of God" is preserved here, as opposed to a translation like "wind from/breath of God" (cf. NRSV) or "mighty wind" (cf. NEB), taking the word "God" to represent the superlative. Elsewhere in the OT the phrase refers consistently to the divine spirit that empowers and energizes individuals (see Gen_41:38; Exo_31:3; Exo_35:31; Num_24:2; 1Sa_10:10; 1Sa_11:6; 1Sa_19:20; 1Sa_19:23; Eze_11:24; 2Ch_15:1; 2Ch_24:20).

11 tn The Hebrew verb has been translated "hovering" or "moving" (as a bird over her young, see Deu_32:11). The Syriac cognate term means "to brood over; to incubate." How much of that sense might be attached here is hard to say, but the verb does depict the presence of the Spirit of God moving about mysteriously over the waters, presumably preparing for the acts of creation to follow. If one reads "mighty wind" (cf. NEB) then the verse describes how the powerful wind begins to blow in preparation for the creative act described in Gen_1:9-10. (God also used a wind to drive back the flood waters in Noah's day. See Gen_8:1.)

12 tn Heb "face."

13 sn The water. The text deliberately changes now from the term for the watery deep to the general word for water. The arena is now the life-giving water and not the chaotic abyss-like deep. The change may be merely stylistic, but it may also carry some significance. The deep carries with it the sense of the abyss, chaos, darkness--in short, that which is not good for life.
 

Hope of Glory

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DHK said:
Here are the facts. God created the fruit bearing trees and other such plants way back on the third day. Then he created insects... [a whole bunch of stuff omitted for the sake of brevity]

Mind showing me where I've endorsed anything other than a literal 6 day restoration of the earth?
 
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