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Nuts For Arminians To Crack

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glad4mercy

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Did Arminius believe that? His writings don't seem to suggest that.

Nope. Arminius believed nothing of the sort. Neither do Wesleyans, Free Methodists, General Baptists, Free Will Baptists, Holiness, Calvary Chapel, Nazarenes, etc... hold to that as a doctrinal distinctive.

I know. I've belonged to three of those groups above, and Majored in theology at an Arminian college. And I also do not fully hold to their doctrinal distinctives, though I still agree with them on many things.

Free Willers that I've known teach Free Will in the sense of Free Grace that is resistable, not that we are saved by the flimsy cobweb of human free will

Human Decisions do not have saving power. Only God can save. Anyone who has read the Bible with any understanding should be able to agree with that.
 
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Saved-By-Grace

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The salvation of every sinner, is the work of God, from start to finish. It is God Who first loved us, and took the first step in "redeeming" the sinful human race, by coming Himself, as the Second Person of the Trinity did, to take the place of these sinners on the cross, and bear their sins. He has done the complete work for every sinner to be saved. However, if the sinner "will not (not cannot) come" (as John 5:39-40), to have this eternal life, which is a free gift from God, and rather "reject the Gospel Message", as Acts 13:46 tells us; then this is what is known as "freedom of the will in humans", which is how Almighty God has made us. There are some who do not understand the Bible way of salvation, which Jesus tells us in places like Mark 1:15, that the sinner MUST "repent and believe in the Gospel"; and that "repentance leads to forgiveness" (Luke 24:47), which in turn leads to eternal life. The sinner has to DO the repenting, as is what those who were "convicted" by the Holy Spirit, through the preaching of the Gospel by Peter in Acts chapter 2, to which they asked, "what must we DO?" (2:37). To which Peter did not say, "you need to DO nothing", but instead said, "REPENT" (verse 38), because it is this REPENTANCE that brings about "conversion and the forgiveness of sins" (Acts 3:19). NONE of this is even possible, if it were not for the Holy Spirit first "convicting" the sinner (John 16:7-8). As we can do nothing, in and of ourselves, God has done it ALL, by making us in His image, which was NOT all lost at the fall, and which includes our "morality and freedom of will". Otherwise, why would God ask, "CHOOSE this day whom YOU will serve?" (Joshua 24:15). Interestingly, in the passage in Acts 13, we read, that it was the Jews, and NOT God, who "considered themselves not worthy of eternal life" (v.46). Also interesting, is the word Paul uses here, "ἄξιος", which means "to be of worth, worthy, having value". This is how God saw these sinners, which sadly is not how the Reformed/Calvinist do!
 
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Revmitchell

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Salvation is tje eork of God from start to finish. Even when man chooses to or not to.believe on Him based solely on tje preaching of the gospel. Romans 1:16, Romans 10: 17
 

Saved-By-Grace

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I agree with MOST of your post, but I would say it is not natural free will that gives us the ability to repent, it is the Grace of God. Man's will is intact, but the natural will of man is enslaved to sin, and is not subject to the Law of God, and cannot do anything by itself to please God, which would include repentance. Then Grace comes in (like you said, none of this is possible without the Holy Spirit first convicting the sinner). The part I disagree with Calvinists on is Irresistable grace.

The part I disagree with in your post is that while you correctly say that " we can do nothing of ourselves, God has done it all" and that He made us in His image, etc... Which I agree that He did indeed make us in His image, and that image was not erased by the fall, yet there is significantly more to "enabled by God" than that.

the "free will" in humans cannot and will not of themselves "accept" the Gospel. they can only act upon the "convicting" of the Holy Spirit, in either accepting or rejecting the Gospel. the fact that God commands everyone everywhere to repent (Acts 17:30), is only possible because he has made sure that the entire human race of sinners, are "capable" of doing so. The weakness of the Calvinistic/Reformed position, is, that they have reduced humans into "incapable", of accepting or rejecting, for the fear that this somehow is a "work", or "merit". This is not to, as it is only the sinner responding to what God Himself has commanded.
 

glad4mercy

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Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the eord of God.

The gospel is the power to salvation.

..to those who believe.

And it takes more than our will to believe unto salvation. It also takes a work of the Holy Spirit in conjunction with the preaching of the Gospel. Correct?
 

Revmitchell

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..to those who believe.

And it takes more than our will to believe unto salvation. It also takes a work of the Holy Spirit in conjunction with the preaching of the Gospel. Correct?

Great Im all for that now show me the scripture to support that.
 

Revmitchell

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..to those who believe.

And it takes more than our will to believe unto salvation. It also takes a work of the Holy Spirit in conjunction with the preaching of the Gospel. Correct?

It does take more than our will. It takes the gospel. Scripture says the power to salvation is foumd in tne gospel, it also says faith comes not as a ectra supernatural gift of God but by the hearing of Gods word
 

Saved-By-Grace

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So point out to me the words that refer to salvation in those passages

So, the "convicting" of the world of sinners "of sin", because of their refusal to believe in Jesus as their personal Saviour, does not refer to salvation? Then, what does this passage refer to?
 

Revmitchell

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So, the "convicting" of the world of sinners "of sin", because of their refusal to believe in Jesus as their personal Saviour, does not refer to salvation? Then, what does this passage refer to?

So you believe God convicts of sin prior to salvation via the HS do you believe He does anything else prior to?
 

Saved-By-Grace

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So you believe God convicts of sin prior to salvation via the HS do you believe He does anything else prior to?

He does not "regenerate" or "enable" the will, as some believe. As the former is the same as "born-again", which only takes place after the sinner is saved. the latter makes God a "respecter of persons", which is impossible.
 

glad4mercy

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So you believe God convicts of sin prior to salvation via the HS do you believe He does anything else prior to?

Can I give my two cents? The Holy Spirit not only convicts/convinces of sin, but also of righteousness and judgement.

Is this a ministry/work of the Spirit
that takes place in conjunction with Gospel preaching? Yes. So the text that saved by grace gave does confirm what I said well. Thanks, Saved by grace
 

Revmitchell

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He does not "regenerate" or "enable" the will, as some believe. As the former is the same as "born-again", which only takes place after the sinner is saved. the latter makes God a "respecter of persons", which is impossible.

"Born again" only takes place after one is saved?
 

Saved-By-Grace

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no, not after, but when/upon/at the time of.

Ephesians 1:13, "In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that Holy Spirit of promise" (KJV)

"after that ye believed", better in Greek, "upon believing"
 

Yeshua1

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I do not believe salvation is merely making a choice to accept Jesus. That is a horrible oversimplification of what Arminians believe.

SOME people may believe that way, but that is not what the Arminians I've known, heard and read believe. That kind of statement (that salvation is merely a choice we make )is a grossly superficial understanding

Decisions don't save, God saves
Does God extend saving grace towards all sinners equally?
 
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