You did not see it because it isn't there. They need a strawman to support their flawed view that has no support.
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Obama Endorses Homosexuality
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You did not see it because it isn't there. They need a strawman to support their flawed view that has no support.
That's what I thought
Thinkingstuff
Active Member
Let me go at the problem this way.
Who should be allowed in the military?
Only Christians? Our society is made up of more than just Christians.
Only people who demonstrate impeccable behavior. How is that defined. Not everyone agrees with the christian ethical standard.
Who should be allowed in the military?
Only Christians? Our society is made up of more than just Christians.
Only people who demonstrate impeccable behavior. How is that defined. Not everyone agrees with the christian ethical standard.
Dragoon is saying that heterosexuals with a history of fornication should be allowed in the military, and then accusing people people such as myself of "excusing sin", for my position that all fornicators (whether gay or straight) should be banned.
Trotter
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My $.02.
Any US citizen should be allowed to serve in the military. Once in, however, each one should be held to the same standards and discipline. There are regulations on the books about adultery and homosexual activity, and these should be enforced severely. I don't know if there is anything about fornication, but it should fall along the same lines as adultery.
Open flagrant homosexuality breaks discipline and focus. How can a man concentrate on his task when the guy next him is checking out his backside or acting like a street corner harlot? The military demands strict discipline and that applies to everyone, no matter what their race, creed, religion, or sexual orientation.
The very fact that this matter is up for discussion here, on a Christian board, should be a giant red flag as to how far our nation has fallen. Actually, "fallen" is not the right word... it is more like "swan dived"... into completely sin and immorality. The old rules and regulations already addressed homosexuality in the military... but the rampant immorality that now pervades our society has challenged these regulations and has turned them completely on their head.
Any US citizen should be allowed to serve in the military. Once in, however, each one should be held to the same standards and discipline. There are regulations on the books about adultery and homosexual activity, and these should be enforced severely. I don't know if there is anything about fornication, but it should fall along the same lines as adultery.
Open flagrant homosexuality breaks discipline and focus. How can a man concentrate on his task when the guy next him is checking out his backside or acting like a street corner harlot? The military demands strict discipline and that applies to everyone, no matter what their race, creed, religion, or sexual orientation.
The very fact that this matter is up for discussion here, on a Christian board, should be a giant red flag as to how far our nation has fallen. Actually, "fallen" is not the right word... it is more like "swan dived"... into completely sin and immorality. The old rules and regulations already addressed homosexuality in the military... but the rampant immorality that now pervades our society has challenged these regulations and has turned them completely on their head.
Thinkingstuff
Active Member
I agree totally.
MP sez:
Trotter sez:
Still having reading comprehension problems, I see!
Trotter sez:
Bingo m'friend, you win the pot o' gold!!
We need some clarity here. There's not a single post in this thread that is endorsing homosexual behavior in the military. Not one. If someone is implying in any way that someone is doing so, that person needs to cite where this occurred, or be called out for the liar that they are.
Thinkingstuff
Active Member
In fact everyone who's posted said Homosexuality was a sin.
Absolutely correct - There's not a single post in this thread that is endorsing homosexual behavior in the military!!
BUT what you overlook(?) is that many of you are saying in essence (please correct if wrong),
"Let 'em join, whether they profess publicly their q-------- or not, and if/when they mess up, kick 'em out!"
While others of us are saying,
"If they feel it necessary to admit their q--------, publicly, they should not be allowed to join."
You are taking the position of taking a recovering alcoholic to lunch and you getting a glass of wine, but telling him to abstain - not only ridiculous, but cruel as well.
This is a point that you folk can't seem to grasp - to put a q---- in the barracks with scads of opportunities to ply his lust is no different than putting a teen boy in the girls locker room dressed as a girl and expect him to "keep his desires hidden".
In either case it's a keg of dynamite with a fire just inches from the fuse!!!!
IOW, IT'S STUPID, no matter how you feel about the fairness, or the person in question, or the platitudes of being Christ-like!!!
(I really don't think He would endorse putting all this temptation on one of "them" either!) - Just MHO tho'.
Thinkingstuff
Active Member
Yet in the modern military (at least on Air Force bases) male and females are in the same barracks. Men and women are on the same boats (navy). So, what really is the difference. I remember one training tdy in Germany where we were "playing war" in the black forest (with miles gear). Men and women were assigned the same GP Large to live in. I remember the trainers making some big deal about "Ensure you call before entering. Also on showers if there are males around the shower during female times your #$@# is Grass". So, since this is how currently the military operates what the real difference?
Magnetic Poles
New Member
The problem lies with you. I was responding to the post I quoted.MP sez: Still having reading comprehension problems, I see!
I've repeatedly explained that we have a right and duty to make choices of what sins we wish to regulate or punish and what character we wish to make an exclusion for services. This doesn't change God's disgust of all sins nor does it change the guilt we all have. It just means we make choices. I say we can and should restrain homosexual conduct in the military which is the issue at hand. The other possible reasons for exclusion are not the issue here.
I'm addressing the issue of Obama pushing to permit homosexuals to openly serve in the military. You seem to arguing that since people who already serve in the military commit other sins we should not exclude homosexuals. I'm saying no to homosexuals - whether they are discovered after enlistment or whether they profess to be so at enlistment - in the military.
No, it is not hypocritical to exercise prudent judgment. It is fundamental that we do so. It is a duty and responsibility and incorporated into the design of God's institution. Read the scriptures to understand the proper role of civil government in this matter.
Choosing to exclude homosexuals from military service is a wise decision that stood firm for many generations. It's only in recent times that we've yielded to the pressure of their intense lobbying and lost our sense of right and wrong and our duty to restrain this particular evil within our society.
You examples of homosexual leaders are questionable at best and nothing except part of the effort to "sanctify" homosexuality by showing that they are "good" in some other respect. The same could be done for any group of sinners - including thieves, rapists, and murderers - but it wouldn't change what they are or their qualifications or disqualifications for a particular service.
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This is absolutely untrue! Rather, what we're seeing is an effort to justify the acceptance of open homosexuality in the military by pointing out that its members may be guilty of other sins.
This leads into another subject entirely and, if we want to hammer it out, I suggest a new thread be started!
So how does a straight make sure there are no gays around in the showers.
Will it be permissable to ask?
Or would that be discrimination and harassment?
If you have taken showers with other fellows in high school, college or the military you have taken showers with gays present. No one, except a very stupid person, would make on overt approach in a shower with others present. It would, at least when I was young, have been a very unhealthy thing for a gay to do.
Are you really afraid of gays?
Like I said, reading comprehension problems!!!
I'm finished talking to brick walls!!!
Perhaps, but then no one demanded the right to declare that they were gay either.
And things are different now.
Gays make overt approaches in public restrooms now. Did they do that when you were young??
This obsession that you have for putting words in other peoples' mouths really causes me to question your reasoning abilities.