Obama mocks Joe the Plumber

[Revmitchell]

Huh?? Joe isn't in business. He is an employee that is no where close to buying his company.

You have no clue how close he is. But keep telling yourself that. It sooths the conscience no matter how irrelevant it is.

 

[LadyEagle]

Huh?? Joe isn't in business. He is an employee that is no where close to buying his company.

Well, now, thanks to Obama and the obamedia probing into his personal life, Joe probably lost his job and he has a kid to support.

 

[canadyjd]

Class warfare? That's a ridiculous overstatement. They're talking about tax policy. You know that the extreme difference in wealth between the haves and the have-nots was one of the distinguishing characteristics in the 1920's right before the '29 crash and the Great Depression. Now we're seeing it again as a result of the disastrous Bush administration. The middle class is vanishing. Pretty soon we'll have just the poor and the rich. You know, as in

Buddy can you spare me a dime?

Vote the socialist liberal Obama in and you'll only have the poor... you know, as in....United Soviet Socialist Republic.

Socialism fails everywhere it is tried. Looks like it will be our turn soon.

peace to youraying:

 

[canadyjd]

Huh?? Joe isn't in business. He is an employee that is no where close to buying his company.

Of course he isn't, but that didn't stop the dem crowd from yelling "put him out of business!"

Obama and the dems think its funny to threaten a common man's job, to mock his desire to own his own business and support his family.

As I said before, they have no shame and I hope people are paying attention.

peace to youraying:

 

[LeBuick]

You have no clue how close he is. But keep telling yourself that. It sooths the conscience no matter how irrelevant it is.

This is to Rev and LE...

Not being ready to by his company were Joe's words. You can be mad at Joe if you want but I figure he would know.

Wurzelbacher, 34, said he doesn't have a good plan put together on how he would buy Newell Plumbing and Heating in nearby Toledo.

He said the business consists of owner Al Newell and him. Wurzelbacher said he's worked there for six years and that the two have talked about his taking it over at some point.

"There's a lot I've got to learn," he said.

He'd probably need a license before he worries about a company.

 

[LeBuick]

Of course he isn't, but that didn't stop the dem crowd from yelling "put him out of business!"

That's like yelling to put me out of a bar. Doesn't hurt me since I'm not in a bar.

Joe doesn't have a business so he has nothing to be put out of.

 

[TomVols]

Majority gives you control of debate and committee appointments - it is vital.

If you go to the 60 count, then there have been very few times in history that any party has had 'control.'

That would even more disprove LE's contention. If the Dems did not have 60 votes this mess certainly can't be their fault.

But that door swings both ways. Since the GOP did not have 60 votes, the Dems could block whatever they want.

I believe it's high time those cloture rules are repealed so the Constitution (remember that little thing) can get back to work in both houses for the good of the people.

 

[poncho]

True, but the conservative ideology is running and McCain represents that ideology. He keeps stating he will cut more high end taxes with hopes to rebound the econonmy and produce more jobs. That is exactly the concept we've been trying the last 8 years and we lost 160K jobs last month alone. It AIN't WORKING!



Who is side tracking the issues? ACORN, Ayres, Joe the Plumber aren't liberal distractions, those are conservative attempts to "sidetrack" the issues. Now they are calling Obama a communist, Muslim and many other false names to include the Messiah. I am perfectly happy sticking to the economy, two wars, social security and the crises on wall street.

Nope you are wrong about McCain the only one with an actual conservative ideology dropped out of the race after both parties and the corporate media ridiculed and marginalized him and the true conservative ideology he represented. What you all are squabbling is over now is which social corporatist is the lesser of two evils.

 

[givengrace]

Yes, as the Republicans do also. The Republicans, an alliance of Bush, McConnell, McCain, Obama, and the Democratic leadership in Congress crammed a 700 billion dollar bailout bill that will not work down our throats. No, make that 850 billion to buy the votes that rejected it the first time with 150 billion pork added. McCain must not have had his shiney veto pen handy, so he could make the pork authors famous.

There is no difference between the two, from this issue or any other. Either you want the government run as the Consitution says or you don't.

Oh, and by the way, Bush and his Republican Congress of six years spread more wealth around and created the greatest deficit in American history. Ronald Reagan was a great President, but one thing I fault him for doing. That was his selection for VP. Had he not picked Bush the First, this guy would never have made it to the Presidency.

Excuse me but there was only a Surplus in the budget but there were still DEBT owed when G.W. Bush came into office. And then there was Sept. 11th and Katrina ( along with people using it fraudulently) and the Tsunami and many other smaller Natural disasters that FEDERAL TAX money were sent to as well as the war. Which I remember G. W. Bush saying this will not be over night it will take years to win this war on terror and it will not be cheep it will cost a lot. And he didn't send us to war on his own nor did he make the decision by himself other people who were to bring him the information needed so it was a join decision. And a majority were behind him after 9/11.

 

[JustChristian]

Excuse me but there was only a Surplus in the budget but there were still DEBT owed when G.W. Bush came into office. And then there was Sept. 11th and Katrina ( along with people using it fraudulently) and the Tsunami and many other smaller Natural disasters that FEDERAL TAX money were sent to as well as the war. Which I remember G. W. Bush saying this will not be over night it will take years to win this war on terror and it will not be cheep it will cost a lot. And he didn't send us to war on his own nor did he make the decision by himself other people who were to bring him the information needed so it was a join decision. And a majority were behind him after 9/11.

That's true but it's been true since 1776.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_public_debt



The United States has had public debt since its inception. Debts incurred during the American Revolutionary War and under the Articles of Confederation led to the first yearly reported value of $75,463,476.52 on January 1, 1791. Over the following 45 years, the debt grew, briefly contracted to zero on January 8, 1835 under President Andrew Jackson but then quickly grew into the millions again.[18]

The first dramatic growth spurt of the debt occurred because of the Civil War. The debt was just $65 million in 1860, but passed $1 billion in 1863 and had reached $2.7 billion following the war. The debt slowly fluctuated for the rest of the century, finally growing steadily in the 1910s and early 1920s to roughly $22 billion as the country paid for involvement in World War I.[18]

The buildup and involvement in World War II brought the debt up another order of magnitude from $51 billion in 1940 to $260 billion following the war. After this period, the debt's growth closely matched the rate of inflation until the 1980s, when it again began to increase rapidly. Between 1980 and 1990, the debt more than tripled. The debt shrank briefly after the end of the Cold War, but by the end of 2005, the gross debt had reached $7.9 trillion, about 8.7 times its 1980 level.[19]

 

[Don]

That's like yelling to put me out of a bar. Doesn't hurt me since I'm not in a bar.

Joe doesn't have a business so he has nothing to be put out of.

You know, I like the way you can step back and laugh at all of this at times...but still, please look at your answer, and re-think the scenario.

You're exactly right: He doesn't have a business, has nothing to be put out of. So why would Obama supporters yell something so cruel and idiotic?

No matter what we're all saying here: Joe's not the problem. The question is, how is Obama gonna help Joe?

 

[LeBuick]

You're exactly right: He doesn't have a business, has nothing to be put out of. So why would Obama supporters yell something so cruel and idiotic?

True, you are correct that they are dumb for yelling the statement. I will be the first to admit there are embarrassing characters at every rally (both sides).

No matter what we're all saying here: Joe's not the problem. The question is, how is Obama gonna help Joe?

Joe makes just over $40K/yr. He will qualify for an Obama tax cut. So will his boss whose business is just under $100K/yr. Obama will also give Joe's boss a 50% tax credit to provide Joe health insurance and will get a $3000 credit if he hires a new employee. Contrary to McCain's smears, small businesses are exempt from the mandatory requirement to provide health insurance so there would be no penalty if his boss choses not to provide health care.

To be honest, and I hate to say this, not much different than he'd get under the McCain plan.

 

[Don]

True, you are correct that they are dumb for yelling the statement. I will be the first to admit there are embarrassing characters at every rally (both sides).

So true, so true.

To be honest, and I hate to say this, not much different than he'd get under the McCain plan.

Yup. Meet the new boss....

 

[canadyjd]

True, you are correct that they are dumb for yelling the statement. I will be the first to admit there are embarrassing characters at every rally (both sides).

When people say "embarrassing" things at McCain ralleys, McCain corrects them immediately.

Compare that to Obama being the one to initiate the mocking of Joe the Plumber. Obama laughed right along with the crowd.

They both mocked a common man with a legitimate question and when the crowd yelled, "put him out of business!", Obama laughed along with them.

The dems laugh about using the power of the government to shout off their critics. It is sickening.

I hope people are paying attention and realize what they will get with Obama.

peace to youraying:

 

[JustChristian]

You know, I like the way you can step back and laugh at all of this at times...but still, please look at your answer, and re-think the scenario.

You're exactly right: He doesn't have a business, has nothing to be put out of. So why would Obama supporters yell something so cruel and idiotic?

No matter what we're all saying here: Joe's not the problem. The question is, how is Obama gonna help Joe?

Why should Obama help Joe more than you or me? Joe is just a face in the crowd. He doesn't represent all of America or even most of it. He's a fabrication of McCain's to win political points. That's all.

 

[canadyjd]

Why should Obama help Joe more than you or me? Joe is just a face in the crowd. He doesn't represent all of America or even most of it. He's a fabrication of McCain's to win political points. That's all.

Obama won't help Joe the Plumber.

If what happened at that rally is a forshadowing of what is to come then when he is president, Obama and the dems will make sure he is crushed and never, never, never has an opportunity to own a business.

They will laugh at his efforts try to bury him for making them look bad.

peace to youraying:

 

[Don]

Why should Obama help Joe more than you or me? Joe is just a face in the crowd. He doesn't represent all of America or even most of it. He's a fabrication of McCain's to win political points. That's all.

You don't even know when you're wrong any more, do you?

"Joe is just a face in the crowd" -- just like you and me.

"He doesn't represent all of America or even most of it" -- why not? It could have been you that asked Barak that question. Or me. Or LeBuick. Or LadyEagle. Or C4K. So yeah, he does represent the "average joe."

"He's a fabrication of McCain's" -- nope, he's a real person--just like you and me.

You need to pull your head out of the hole you've buried it in, and realize that the issue is not Joe; it's how Obama answered the question, and what Obama has said about Joe since then.

 

[LeBuick]

When people say "embarrassing" things at McCain ralleys, McCain corrects them immediately.

Correction: McCain corrected one lady at one rally. There were many accusations that went uncorrected particularly at Palin rallies when McCain was not present. That was when she said Obama was palling around with terrorist. What you repeated was one of McCain's talking points that wasn't 100% correct.

Also, Obama did control his crowd when they began to boo the mention of McCain's name. He said, "we don't need that. What we need is to vote".

That is what you will get from Obama but you won't give him a fair chance to show you what he is capable of. Your mind will stay closed to his actions and open to criticism of everything he does which I believe is not very Christian like. If Obama makes office, and that is still a big in my view, we are told to surrender to their leadership in things not contrary to scripture. I hope we all plan to do this. It is my plan if McCain takes office.

 

[canadyjd]

Correction: McCain corrected one lady at one rally. There were many accusations that went uncorrected particularly at Palin rallies when McCain was not present. That was when she said Obama was palling around with terrorist. What you repeated was one of McCain's talking points that wasn't 100% correct.

You are wrong. McCain has corrected several people who have made inappropriate remarks.

Even if true that Palin's rallies had inappropriate remarks, it doesn't change the fact that Obama mocked Joe the Plumber and laughed when the crowd yelled, "put him out of business". Obama initiated the attack on Joe and got the response from the dems that he wanted.

Also, Obama did control his crowd when they began to boo the mention of McCain's name. He said, "we don't need that. What we need is to vote".

Good for him, I haven't seen that one.

That is what you will get from Obama but you won't give him a fair chance to show you what he is capable of.

Obama has shown us what he is capable of. In a rare show of candor, he said he wants to "spread the wealth around". When he is called on that statement, he attacks the common man who asked him the question, belittling his desires to do better and own his own business, and laughs along with the dem crowd when they yell, "put him out of business".

If you weren't closed minded, you would have criticized Obama's comments as inappropriate. You would have said that Obama should apologize to Joe the Plumber for what he and the crowd did, instead of making a joke about calling Joe yourself to apologize, and you wouldn't spend your time trying to defend him by saying McCain and Palin do the same thing.

Your mind will stay closed to his actions and open to criticism of everything he does which I believe is not very Christian like.

You support a man that voted to prevent medical care to be given to babies born alive during an abortion, and then tell me that I am not acting very Christian like?

My mind is very open to Obama's actions and his words. I just don't like what I see and hear.

If Obama makes office, and that is still a big in my view, we are told to surrender to their leadership in things not contrary to scripture. I hope we all plan to do this. It is my plan if McCain takes office.

"Surrender to their leadership" is not what scripture says.

I may "submit" to Obama and the liberal dems, but I will never surrender, and I pray I will never compromise my beliefs when the thought police make it illegal to preach against se*ual preference" or preach against abortion (because, they will say, such things incite violence ).

peace to youraying:

 

[JustChristian]

You don't even know when you're wrong any more, do you?

"Joe is just a face in the crowd" -- just like you and me.

"He doesn't represent all of America or even most of it" -- why not? It could have been you that asked Barak that question. Or me. Or LeBuick. Or LadyEagle. Or C4K. So yeah, he does represent the "average joe."

"He's a fabrication of McCain's" -- nope, he's a real person--just like you and me.

You need to pull your head out of the hole you've buried it in, and realize that the issue is not Joe; it's how Obama answered the question, and what Obama has said about Joe since then.

So you're arguing that Plumber Joe represents all of America, that other people's needs don't need to be considerer? Think about what you're saying. Of course he is one of the millions of people that have a stake in this election. But I don't believe he's the ONLY one. Do you?