Obama mocks Joe the Plumber

[Revmitchell]

So you're arguing that Plumber Joe represents all of America, that other people's needs don't need to be considerer? Think about what you're saying. Of course he is one of the millions of people that have a stake in this election. But I don't believe he's the ONLY one. Do you?

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[JustChristian]

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Ronald Reagan INCREASED the size of government and the national debt. He said one thing but did exactly the opposite.

 

[LeBuick]

If you weren't closed minded, you would have criticized Obama's comments as inappropriate. You would have said that Obama should apologize to Joe the Plumber for what he and the crowd did, instead of making a joke about calling Joe yourself to apologize, and you wouldn't spend your time trying to defend him by saying McCain and Palin do the same thing.

I don't feel Joe deserves an apology. He lied by saying he would not be able to buy his company because of Obama's tax policy so I leave him to the consequences of his actions. The truth is he would get a tax cut under Obama policy and can't buy his company because 1. it is not up for sell and 2. he isn't otherwise ready to own his company.

I still say, "put him out of business" is worthless to Joe because he doesn't have a business. So the comment means nothing. It's like saying, "off with his head" to a headless man. Shouldn't bother him much.

I may "submit" to Obama and the liberal dems, but I will never surrender, and I pray I will never compromise my beliefs when the thought police make it illegal to preach against se*ual preference" or preach against abortion (because, they will say, such things incite violence ).

peace to youraying:

You can split the hair how you choose and I agree about not compromising your beliefs. That is something I urge you to cling closely to.

 

[LeBuick]

Ronald Reagan INCREASED the size of government and the national debt. He said one thing but did exactly the opposite.

The only president in recent history to balance the budget was Bill Clinton. They don't want to hear that.

 

[rbell]

Ronald Reagan INCREASED the size of government and the national debt. He said one thing but did exactly the opposite.

The fact that you're typing that sentence in English and not Russian should suffice for an answer.

 

[Revmitchell]

The only president in recent history to balance the budget was Bill Clinton. They don't want to hear that.

You give intentional fallacies about Obama and now about Clinton:


http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=5656

 

[LeBuick]

You give intentional fallacies about Obama and now about Clinton:


http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=5656

From your link;

Let us establish one point definitively: Bill Clinton didn't balance the budget. Yes, he was there when it happened. But the record shows that was about the extent of his contribution.

It was on his watch.

 

[Revmitchell]

From your link;



It was on his watch.

You said he did then you quote where he did not do it.:laugh:

 

[canadyjd]

I don't feel Joe deserves an apology.

Of course not. You will not criticize even the most abusive, ugly politics if its the dems and Obama who do it. Obama mocked a common man who dared ask him a question. He mocked him and the dem crowd laughed. Obama laughed with them.

That's the kind of person he has proven himself to be. Petty and mean and ugly if you don't fall into line and agree with what he says.

peace to youraying:

 

[LeBuick]

Of course not. You will not criticize even the most abusive, ugly politics if its the dems and Obama who do it. Obama mocked a common man who dared ask him a question. He mocked him and the dem crowd laughed. Obama laughed with them.

Correction, Obama mocked what he did. You are defending a liar which I really don't understand???

You want to see dirty politics, look at this picture...

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/16/obama-bucks/

I don't hear any apologies for this.

 

[Don]

So you're arguing that Plumber Joe represents all of America, that other people's needs don't need to be considerer? Think about what you're saying. Of course he is one of the millions of people that have a stake in this election. But I don't believe he's the ONLY one. Do you?

I find it sad that you just don't get it.

Yes, I'm arguing that Plumber Joe could have been anyone in America; which makes the rest of your sentence nonsensical, because if it represents all of America, then what other people's needs need to be considered? Non-Americans?

Of course I don't believe he's the only one; that's what you're not getting. Of course it's not just one particular question; that's what you're not getting.

Pull your head out of the sand: The problem is not Joe. The problem is a presidential candidate whose staff and others who went after the very constituent that candidate is campaigning to represent and lead.

Why do you not get that?

 

[LeBuick]

Pull your head out of the sand: The problem is not Joe. The problem is a presidential candidate whose staff and others who went after the very constituent that candidate is campaigning to represent and lead.

Why do you not get that?

Joe lied... How do you defend a liar?

Obama plan will still be best for Joe. He may not like Obama philosophy but his plan would be best for Joe and his Boss.

 

[webdog]

Joe lied... How do you defend a liar?

Obama plan will still be best for Joe. He may not like Obama philosophy but his plan would be best for Joe and his Boss.

I don't understand this thinking. Obama will let Bush's tax breaks expire...meaning taxes will go back up...then he will "cut" taxes (not to the current level), meaning the 95% will actually see an INCREASE in taxes.

 

[rbell]

keep in mind...95% of Americans cannot get tax cuts. Only a little more than half pay any income taxes...so for people who don't pay taxes to get tax cuts, we have...

Hence, the "refundable credits." That's Washington-ese for buying votes--giving people money who did not earn it.

 

[LeBuick]

I don't understand this thinking. Obama will let Bush's tax breaks expire...meaning taxes will go back up...then he will "cut" taxes (not to the current level), meaning the 95% will actually see an INCREASE in taxes.

The Bush tax breaks that will expire were ones for the rich and large corporations. They were the "loopholes" which kept them from paying their share of taxes. This is how big oil was paying a lesser percentage rate than you.

How will it raise my taxes if they expire?

Joe the plumber will be better off under the Obama plan says economist.

 

[LeBuick]

keep in mind...95% of Americans cannot get tax cuts. Only a little more than half pay any income taxes...so for people who don't pay taxes to get tax cuts, we have...

Hence, the "refundable credits." That's Washington-ese for buying votes--giving people money who did not earn it.

This is a false representation of facts. All workers have taxes collected from their checks. It is an income tax and you must have income to receive the tax break. How can you be a worker and pay no taxes when the tax man gets his before you get yours? This is a response that sounds good but isn't a fact.

 

[canadyjd]

This is a false representation of facts. All workers have taxes collected from their checks. It is an income tax and you must have income to receive the tax break. How can you be a worker and pay no taxes when the tax man gets his before you get yours? This is a response that sounds good but isn't a fact.

Every year you fill out a form, sometime before April 15th, that tells you if you owe income taxes for the previous year. It is called filing your taxes.

Without doubt, over 1/2 of Americans don't earn enough to end up owing any taxes for that previous year. They then get a TAX REBATE, on the money that has been withheld during the previous year.

A TAX REBATE means that money that was withheld during the previous year as income taxes will be refunded, IN FULL, to those people because THEY DON'T OWE TAXES FOR THAT YEAR!

Those are the FACTS!

peace to youraying:

 

[LeBuick]

Every year you fill out a form, sometime before April 15th, that tells you if you owe income taxes for the previous year. It is called filing your taxes.

Without doubt, over 1/2 of Americans don't earn enough to end up owing any taxes for that previous year. They then get a TAX REBATE, on the money that has been withheld during the previous year.

A TAX REBATE means that money that was withheld during the previous year as income taxes will be refunded, IN FULL, to those people because THEY DON'T OWE TAXES FOR THAT YEAR!

Those are the FACTS!

peace to youraying:

Even the low end workers don't get 100% of their taxes refunded though I will agree what they pay is a small percent. There is also Sales, Medicare/Medicaid and SS that are not refunded. So they have contributed something.

The idea is to stimulate the economy by putting money in the hands of the consumer. I see that objective as being achieved with Obama plan. We could keep giving the breaks to the rich with hopes the stimulus will trickle down to the rest of the American's but that theory hasn't been working. Obama is trying to put the money in the hands of the consumer with hope they will consume goods and services which will allow the stimulus to move from the ground up for a change. By consuming more goods and services the top end will see profits and possible hire more workers. Let's see how that works. The other way sure didn't work.

 

[LadyEagle]

There is also Sales, Medicare/Medicaid and SS that are not refunded. So they have contributed something.

Sales tax - goes to the state and local governments.

Medicare - everyone will eventually get that refunded when they are of the proper age to be on Medicare.

Medicaid - there is no Medicaid tax withheld.

SS - everyone will eventually get that refunded when they are the proper age to be on SS (depending upon if there is any money left after Congressional pillage all these years).

So you don't quite have the facts straight, LB.

 

[LadyEagle]

Even the low end workers don't get 100% of their taxes refunded though I will agree what they pay is a small percent.

Again, LB, you are incorrect on this, as well. It's called Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC for short)

The Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC) sometimes called the Earned Income Credit (EIC), is a refundable federal income tax credit for low-income working individuals and families. Congress originally approved the tax credit legislation in 1975 in part to offset the burden of social security taxes and to provide an incentive to work. When the EITC exceeds the amount of taxes owed, it results in a tax refund to those who claim and qualify for the credit.

To qualify, taxpayers must meet certain requirements and file a tax return, even if they did not earn enough money to be obligated to file a tax return.

http://www.irs.gov/individuals/article/0,,id=96406,00.html