Obama Our Leader

[OldRegular]

For those of you who insist Obama displayed no leadership, here is some information to naw on...

Obama pushed this record breaking piece of legislation through Congress being in office less than 2-1/2 weeks. Compared to past presidents he is way ahead of the curve. According to this article, Clinton didn't pass his $19 billion stimulus plan until August and Bush had just begun selling his $1.6 trillion plan to cut taxes.

Not too bad for a man with no executive experience... :thumbsup:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/02/13/AR2009021303475.html?hpid=topnews

Just what leadership skills are required to push a democrat slush fund through a large majority democrat Congress. No more than he learned as a ward healer in the politically corrupt Chicago Daley machine. Even motor mouth Biden could have gotten this slush fund through Congress and he has been an empty suit since he went to DC.:smilewinkgrin: :laugh: :sleeping_2:

 

[LeBuick]

Just what leadership skills are required to push a democrat slush fund through a large majority democrat Congress. No more than he learned as a ward healer in the politically corrupt Chicago Daley machine. Even motor mouth Biden could have gotten this slush fund through Congress and he has been an empty suit since he went to DC.

Envy doesn't look good on you... :thumbsup:

 

[OldRegular]

Originally Posted by OldRegular
Just what leadership skills are required to push a democrat slush fund through a large majority democrat Congress. No more than he learned as a ward healer in the politically corrupt Chicago Daley machine. Even motor mouth Biden could have gotten this slush fund through Congress and he has been an empty suit since he went to DC.

Response Posted by LeBuick
Envy doesn't look good on you...

Not surprising that an O'bama supporter would consider the above a compliment1
__________________

 

[LeBuick]

Not surprising that an O'bama supporter would consider the above a compliment1
__________________

Ya just jealous that he's off to a great start and that he just fulfilled many promises in this one bill...

 

[OldRegular]

Ya just jealous that he's off to a great start and that he just fulfilled many promises in this one bill...

Am eagerly waiting for him to fulfill his promise to start a national police force answerable to him, sort of like Hitler's Gestapo, dontchuno.

 

[LeBuick]

Am eagerly waiting for him to fulfill his promise to start a national police force answerable to him, sort of like Hitler's Gestapo, dontchuno.

Does you gots a link to that promise?

 

[Pastor Larry]

Correct, he invited them over for drinks and he went to the capitol and met with their caucus.

That's not bipartisanship.

He listened to their ideas, however there were some who wanted to do nothing and others who only supported more tax cuts. Do nothing is not an option the people want and tax cuts are in the plan. Why won't the Republican's acknowledge that tax cuts are in this plan?

There are tax cuts. Everyone acknowledges that. The problem is that there aren't enough, and there is too much wasteful spending on others things. This is not a stimulus bill, and Ken calling it a "jobs bill" is laughable and foolish.

He said "I won" when Eric Cantor came to the table with the attitude of "it's our way or no way".

No.

Obama had to remind him who won the election which means the people had a chance to choose your tax cuts but opted for a different plan. We cut taxes the last 8 years and got here. How can more tax cuts get us out?

In the last eight years, the federal debt went up by about 4 trillion dollars under Bush. In the last 30 days under Obama it has already gone up by another trillion. The tax cuts of the last eight years were not the problem. Spending (both personal and national) was the problem. For some reason, youd don't get that. We got here by spending too much money. Not by spending too little.

Listen, America had a chance to choose tax cuts in the last election. That philosophical point of view lost.

Really? Obama promised a tax cut. Did you forget?

The Republican's were listened to. They came with the idea of more tax cuts or to be more correct, 100% tax cuts or they wouldn't vote. Ok, they kept their word, they didn't vote... But we heard them. We all heard them yelling into the mic about how no one was listening. I kept trying to tell them, I can hear you and I am sure everyone else can also. We just don't like your suggestions.

But that's bad judgment on your part. You want to return to the failed policies of the past which was more spending. That is a failed policy. It didn't work. Why do you want to do it some more?

I was thinking the same thing PL, even though you have this hatred for Obama you should be objective enough to admit his administration has done more in 3 weeks passing this legislation than most have done in their entire administration. He got the biggest legislation in history through the congress in record time. Why won't you be objective enough to give credit where it is due?

You are wrong on several counts. I don't hate Obama. Second, it wasn't the biggest legislation in history really. Third it wasn't record time

However, you are correct. He has done more than most administrations. It usually takes administrations a lot longer than three weeks to run up this much debt.

If you think that's good, then so be it.

And the fact that he couldn't make the rocks cry out (the republican's get on board) is not a reflection of his bad leadership, in fact, it dispels another GOP rumor. He's not the Messiah...

It is more indicative of the fact that people see through his bad ideas. The GOP never thought he was the MEssiah. That was his own party. You see, you can't even get little facts straight.

 

[Pastor Larry]

You are right, and to counter your previous words he admitted this was a mistake. He should have left the tax cuts out so the Republican's would have felt like they did something when we added them in. I forget that it's only a good idea if the GOP thinks of it. We can patronize you guys if that helps...

Interesting. You think he should lie by presenting somethign he doesn't intend to pass so he can negotiate. You see, I think that's a lack of character. Why doesn't he just say, "This is what I think we should do"? Holding back so he can claim to compromise is a lack of integrity.

 

[just-want-peace]

Holding back so he can claim to compromise is a lack of integrity.

A democrat tactic for years past. Why do you thing this country has moved left so consistently in the last 50+/- years (the time I have been somewhat following politics)?

That bastion of the left JFK, was more conservative in '60 than most any R is today! If that ain't a steady shift left, I don't know what is; and the "compromising" of the Rs with the Ds is what got us there.

Face it - the Ds are better at politics than the Rs, but unfortunately they have no ethics to guide them.

Edited to add:

The Rs ain't very pristine in the ethics department either, but the Ds hold the title of the most "ethicless"!!

 

[OldRegular]

Obama didn't push it through. Pelosi and Reid did.

There is a lot of stuff on TV that O'bama's stimulus plan was hijacked by Reid and Pelosi. Frankly I believe he cleverly allowed them to put together a democrat slush fund he wanted. That way he can blame them. Also note that he cleverly got Congress to void the 48 hour period to review the bill though he delayed signing for 4 days. Only an ex Daley ward healer could pull it off.

 

[OldRegular]

Originally Posted by OldRegular
Am eagerly waiting for him to fulfill his promise to start a national police force answerable to him, sort of like Hitler's Gestapo, dontchuno.

Response Posted by LeBuick
Does you gots a link to that promise?

Go back and listen to his campaign ranting.
__________________

 

[matt wade]

Go back and listen to his campaign ranting.
__________________

Here's what you are referring to. Your allegations are false.

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/is_obama_planning_a_gestapo-like_civilian_national.html

 

[LeBuick]

Here's what you are referring to. Your allegations are false.

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/is_obama_planning_a_gestapo-like_civilian_national.html

More fact twisting at its finest. This is why I support truth in media information. We don't want OR believing stuff like that.

 

[LeBuick]

Interesting. You think he should lie by presenting somethign he doesn't intend to pass so he can negotiate. You see, I think that's a lack of character. Why doesn't he just say, "This is what I think we should do"? Holding back so he can claim to compromise is a lack of integrity.

Not me, that is what the GOP wanted. Tax cuts were included and they still gave no support so perhaps we can get them to play if they believe it's their ball???

We can only hold the tissue up to their nose, we can't make them blow...

 

[LeBuick]

In the last eight years, the federal debt went up by about 4 trillion dollars under Bush. In the last 30 days under Obama it has already gone up by another trillion. The tax cuts of the last eight years were not the problem. Spending (both personal and national) was the problem. For some reason, youd don't get that. We got here by spending too much money. Not by spending too little.

Two ways to increase the deficit... Cut taxes or spend more. Any 1st grader can see that cutting taxes raises the deficit just as fast as more spending.

Really? Obama promised a tax cut. Did you forget?

Corrections, Obama promised middle class tax cuts +... The GOP offered tax cuts only ...

But that's bad judgment on your part. You want to return to the failed policies of the past which was more spending. That is a failed policy. It didn't work. Why do you want to do it some more?

Failed policies were tax cuts alone solve all problems...

It is more indicative of the fact that people see through his bad ideas. The GOP never thought he was the MEssiah. That was his own party. You see, you can't even get little facts straight.

It was the right who started calling Obama the Messiah with the claim that his supporters "worshiped" him. None of his supporters thought he was god. They had to stop when Palin came on the scene since "Palin worship" became a new word in our vocabulary.

 

[Dragoon68]

For those of you who insist Obama displayed no leadership, here is some information to naw on... ...

Real leadership would have put responsibility for the initial crisis at the feet of government social re-engineering where it lays, calmed America's concerns rather than spread fear, reduced the subsequent on-going impact from reduced spending because of lost confidence, and encouraged American's to work out their problems including owning up to their bad debts without submitting to such excessive government spending.

 

[Pastor Larry]

Tax cuts were included and they still gave no support so perhaps we can get them to play if they believe it's their ball???

It's because the bill was too expensive, period.

Two ways to increase the deficit... Cut taxes or spend more. Any 1st grader can see that cutting taxes raises the deficit just as fast as more spending.

No, historically cutting taxes has raised income. It even did that recently. The problem is too much spending. If the government would quit spending, they could live on a lot less money. If they would lower taxes, they would have more money in most cases.

Corrections, Obama promised middle class tax cuts +...

During the campaign he promised tax cuts to 95% of Americans (which was a stupid promise to begin with), but 95% of Americans are not in the middle class.

The GOP offered tax cuts only ...

That's still not true. No matter how many times you say it, it still won't be true. They were willing to have some spending. They were right. This bill should have had more tax cuts and way less spending if any at all.

[quoteFailed policies were tax cuts alone solve all problems...[/quote]Again, simply not true. The last eight years have been the biggest increase in spending in our countries history. In eight years the deficit went up by about 4 billion dollars. Now we have the results. More spending is what got us here.

It was the right who started calling Obama the Messiah with the claim that his supporters "worshiped" him. None of his supporters thought he was god. They had to stop when Palin came on the scene since "Palin worship" became a new word in our vocabulary.

You have a short memory. It was Obama's supporters who started the idea by claiming that he could fix everything.

 

[OldRegular]

Here's what you are referring to. Your allegations are false.

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/is_obama_planning_a_gestapo-like_civilian_national.html

No my allegations are not false. Isn't Annenberg the group that was funding some of O'bama's ward healing in Chicago? So why would I believe anything they put out.

 

[OldRegular]

For all you O'bamaites out there check this out. Straight from the horses Mouth?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt2yGzHfy7s

As Ed Ed would say tee hee!

 

[KenH]

Since OR failed to provide the context but only a very brief video, I will:

Obama, July 2, Colorado Springs, CO: "[As] president I will expand AmeriCorps to 250,000 slots [from 75,000] and make that increased service a vehicle to meet national goals, like providing health care and education, saving our planet and restoring our standing in the world, so that citizens see their effort connected to a common purpose.

People of all ages, stations and skills will be asked to serve. Because when it comes to the challenges we face, the American people are not the problem – they are the answer. So we are going to send more college graduates to teach and mentor our young people. We'll call on Americans to join an energy corps, to conduct renewable energy and environmental clean-up projects in their neighborhoods all across the country.

We will enlist our veterans to find jobs and support for other vets, and to be there for our military families. And we're going to grow our Foreign Service, open consulates that have been shuttered and double the size of the Peace Corps by 2011 to renew our diplomacy. We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set.

We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded. We need to use technology to connect people to service. We'll expand USA Freedom Corps to create online networks where American can browse opportunities to volunteer. You'll be able to search by category, time commitment and skill sets. You'll be able to rate service opportunities, build service networks, and create your own service pages to track your hours and activities.

This will empower more Americans to craft their own service agenda and make their own change from the bottom up."

- http://tinyurl.com/5jrsoc