Magnetic Poles
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So you have your own highways and army? WOW! IMPRESSIVE!!
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Obama Rhetoric vs Health Care Reality
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You really should go back and read what I said. That way you do not miss what was so very obvious and make such foolish statements. Now you have time to go back read what I actually said and edit your post. I will then edit this one so as not to reflect your rash reaction.
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IMO this phrase is one of the most common (mis)uses to justify the over-reaching by government into individual lives.
Magnetic Poles
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Yep, wouldn't want that big bad government insuring we all have health care. :wavey:
ccrobinson
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Magnetic Poles said:
Provide? Where do you find the words in the Constitution where the government is mandated to provide for the common welfare of the people?
I did find these words in the Constitution.
I see where the government is supposed to promote the common welfare, not provide for the common welfare. Surely* you're not saying that promote and provide mean the same thing? The Constitution is specific about applying the words provide and promote, and it doesn't say "provide for the common welfare", so I'd like to know where you're getting that from.
I don't see a constitutional mandate for the government to provide health care.
*a "don't call me Shirley" line isn't necessary, but will elicit a chorus of giggles
Magnetic Poles
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Okay, use the word promote. How does a single payer system for example, go against that.Provide? Where do you find the words in the Constitution where the government is mandated to provide for the common welfare of the people?
I did find these words in the Constitution.
I see where the government is supposed to promote the common welfare, not provide for the common welfare. Surely* you're not saying that promote and provide mean the same thing? The Constitution is specific about applying the words provide and promote, and it doesn't say "provide for the common welfare", so I'd like to know where you're getting that from.
I don't see a constitutional mandate for the government to provide health care.
*a "don't call me Shirley" line isn't necessary, but will elicit a chorus of giggles
ccrobinson
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Magnetic Poles said:
Promote doesn't mean the same thing that provide does. You seem to have based your "constitutional mandate" statement on the word "provide". Since the word "promote" is used, it would appear that you either need a better argument for a constitutional mandate, or there is no constitutional mandate.
OldRegular
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The end result of government run health care will be euthanasia, either deliberate for the elderly and infirm, or simply by the delays which are inevitable.
OldRegular
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Provide? Where do you find the words in the Constitution where the government is mandated to provide for the common welfare of the people?
I did find these words in the Constitution.
I see where the government is supposed to promote the common welfare, not provide for the common welfare. Surely* you're not saying that promote and provide mean the same thing? The Constitution is specific about applying the words provide and promote, and it doesn't say "provide for the common welfare", so I'd like to know where you're getting that from.
I don't see a constitutional mandate for the government to provide health care.
*a "don't call me Shirley" line isn't necessary, but will elicit a chorus of giggles
Leftists never let a little thing like the Constitution stand in their way!
Magnetic Poles
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You continue to make this slippery slope fallacy. It won't happen.
To those old enough to remember passenger rail service by the 'big' railroads-- Union Pacific, Southern Pacific, Santa Fe, et al... when the government took over that industry and formed Amtrak, is the service better, worse, or the same? Broadly, does government run any industry better than private interests?
Why would you think that?
Socialized medicine pushed the Dutch to euthanasia as a cost cutting measure.
http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=95000390
"The path to the death culture began when doctors learned to think like accountants. As the cost of socialized medicine in the Netherlands grew, doctors were lectured about the importance of keeping expenses down. In many hospitals, signs were posted indicating how much old-age treatments cost taxpayers. "
"Medical school curricula and professional standards were changed, too. Nearly every major medical school offers a bioethics class in which euthanasia is considered, at least, an open question. Euthanasia is now an option, not a taboo. The Dutch Pediatric Society issued guidelines for killing infants in 1993; the Royal Dutch Society of Pharmacology sends a book to all new doctors that includes formulas for euthanasia-inducing poisons."
"Every legal and professional barrier to euthanasia has been demolished, often by doctors themselves."
OldRegular
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Just a prelude to what will happen in America. And just think the pagan Hippocratic Oath did not allow euthanasia or abortion; yet in the good old USA we have killed 50 million babies and who knows how many old folks when the government [I am just here to help you.] gets involved. Well it is one way to solve the Social Security and Medicare problem.
Magnetic Poles
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Don't worry OR..I won't tell 'em where you are.
Why doesn't Obama and his crew just make it simple and let every citizen participate in the Federal Employees Health Benefits program?
Do we live under some sort of monarchy where the ruling elite have unlimited access to the national treasury while the serfs scratch out a living the best that they can?
Do we live under some sort of monarchy where the ruling elite have unlimited access to the national treasury while the serfs scratch out a living the best that they can?
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I was thinking we aught to give the booze industry to the government -- let them ruin it
Give the prostitution buisness to the government (GS6 street workers, GS8 Call girls, GS11 pimps ... ) I'm still unhappy, 2 months ago I tryed to help General Motors by buying one of their autos (a Chevy Malibu). Probably the only help I'll get from the Government is I won't have to pay 2009 income tax on the tax I paid.
OBTW, the 'bib' railroads is what made John D. Rockefellow's family forture -- the USofA gave everyother square mile along the route of the railroad across government land.
Even the soul of a murderer pr criminal is worthy of our witness. The great commission did say go ye therefore but skip the murderers and criminals. They're souls are equally important to God and if we are truly pro-life and not just anti abortion we would mourn equally for the loss of their life.
I was not saying abortion should be made legal to protect the mother, I simply pointed out because it was legal the chances are we loose one life instead of two. Again, this only means anything to you if you are truly pro-life and not just anti-abortion.
Pro-life is a biblical principle but abortion isn't mentioned except in the context of being pro-life.
In that light they didn't have income or SS taxes and most communities didn't have doctors.
The founding fathers made our constitution fluid as opposed to static. They obviously knew times and situations over time would mean changes to the original principles would have to be made. So the left the means for us to change the constitution to meet current times.
ccrobinson
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I have yet to see a constitutional mandate for government run healthcare.
Why is US health care ranked 43rd in the world by the World health Organization barely above Cuba? It's not because of the health care available to the middle/upper classes but rather the sad job we do with the poor. Shouldn't we as Christians be concerned about that?