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Obama Will Sign Spending Bill Despite Earmarks
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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jan/07/obama-no-earmarks-on-economic-stimulus-bill/
"What I'm saying is, we're not having earmarks in the recovery package, period," Mr. Obama told reporters.
Obama is a liar.
"What I'm saying is, we're not having earmarks in the recovery package, period," Mr. Obama told reporters.
Obama is a liar.
JustChristian
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Nobody on this thread has listed any pork in this bill. Can you?carpro said:
targus said:
Answer me this, if a president were to veto every piece of pork that came across his desk, how functional would government be? Don't most bills contain earmarks? This means no legislation would ever be signed into law since most contain earmarks.
As president and having to make decisions based on the greater good, don't you agree that means approving some pork if the legislation contains a greater good?
It is unreasonable for you to imply he can't stand against earmarks and still sign a bill for the greater good? No different than Jesus hating sin but having a Church which welcomes sinners.
LeBuick said:
What is it about libs that they cannot make legitimate comparisons. The difficulty with having standards is sticking by them even when times are difficult.
That's incorrect. In post #44, I responded to your request by linking to it. Should we assume that you missed post #44 or that you are dishonest?
Again, simply incorrect. The agreement to pull out had been in the works long before Obama was even elected. The probable date had already been decided.
It's hard to believe you are this out of touch. You should take some of your BB time and catch up on current events. Do more reading and less talking. It will help you to be informed on some of these issues.
LeBuick said:
We do not live in a democracy.
JustChristian
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Do you? I don't think so.Andy T. said:
JustChristian
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Your link is entitles "Spending in the Stimulus Bill." Spending is what we need to jump start the economy. Get it? Frankly, I don't see any really unnecessary items in this list. Which ones do you think are out of line?Pastor Larry said:
Some examples:
$290 million for "Watershed and Flood Prevention Operations"
$50 million for "Wastershed Rehabiliation Program"
$1 billion for rural housing direct loans
$10.4 billion for rural housing guaranteed loans
$2.5 billion for rural distance learning, telemedicine and broadband
$100 million in grants for National School Lunch Program equipment assistance
$150 million in agricultural commodity assistance
$1 billion for the Census Bureau
$4.7 billion for "Broadband Technology Opportunities Program" which includes $350 million for the
development of a "broadband inventory map"
$650 million for Digital TV converter box program
$220 million for Scientific research at the National Institute of Standards and Technology
$360 million for Construction of scientific research facilities
$230 million in extra budget money for the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration
$600 million for NOAA "Procurement, Acquisition and Construction"
$225 million in grants for programs to combat violence against women
$2 billion in state and local law enforcement assistance grants
$225 million in grants to improve the criminal justice system
$225 million in law enforcement assistance to Indian Tribes
$100 million for the "office for Victims of Crime"
$125 million in law enforcement assistance for rural areas
$50 million in state and local grants to combat internet crime against kids
$1 billion for the COPS program
Revmitchell said:
So we find the root of your misunderstanding, America is indeed a democracy which is the foundation our forefathers brilliantly gave us. We not only have a constitution, we have the ability to change that constitution because it's pliable and meant to be adjusted (amended) to the society and times.
One thing I fault many of todays constitutionalist for is they don't acknowledge the fact the constitution can and is changed (amended).
LeBuick said:
We live in a republic. And libbies work to by pass the amendment apsect and try to legislate form the bench. I know of no one who denies the constitution can be amended. But libbbies don't' like to do that. They want to back door everything.
JustChristian said:
I'd like to see an itemized cost analysis for most of these, especially things like $1 Billion for the census bureau. Your list means nothing. I could tell you I need money for chemical research & go buy a keg of beer. Your list provides no information at all, and while it may satisfy you, I'm glad some smart people are asking questions.
No, spending by the government is not needed. Get it?
Surely you jest. None of these are necessary to jumpstart the economy. The economy will recover just fine, and will recover sooner without. Of course, I could go line by line and object, but you probably aren't interested in sound reasoning, unless you have recently changed.
Here's a good one: Let's have the government pay for people to corrupt their minds with TV. That is a good use of money.
Let's just put it all in law enforcement, and when people are violent, let's put them in jail.
We already have this. It is called the police.
Here's a novel idea: Let's have parents be parents. Internet crime doesn't happen when parents are involved monitoring their children's internet usage.
Some of these might be good ideas, but not to go into debt. These are pork programs. They aren't stimulus. Most of these programs won't see this money until more than year from now. Which means it won't stimulate the economy. If you want to stimulate the economy, you need to get money in the economy fast, not slowly. But that would require tax cuts, and Obama and the Democrats are fundamentally opposed to you spending your own money.
This is a spending bill; it is not a stimulus bill.
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JustChristian
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This thread has nothing to do with legislating from the bench. Stay on topic.Revmitchell said:
Mitch started the thread, and you have no authority on it. You have been challenged, and it should take a few hours, at least, to dig up an intelligent response to them.
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