Ohio Republicans want voters to pay to get special ID cards

[Zaac]

With 2016 approaching, Ohio Republicans are making a new push for a voter ID bill—setting the stage for another battle over voting in the nation’s most pivotal swing state.

Legislation introduced last week by conservatives in the statehouse would require that voters show a driver’s license, passport or military ID. They could also get a special state ID card which costs $8.50, or is free for those who make less than the federal poverty line—$11,770 a year.

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http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/ohio-republicans-push-new-voter-id-bill

 

[Revmitchell]

Yes Heaven forbid we should require people to prove who they are in order to engage in an activity that is foundational to our republic. The opposition to this is nothing more than an attempt to allow people to vote multiple times and to allow illegals to vote. Democrats cannot win without it.

 

[Don]

With 2016 approaching, Ohio Republicans are making a new push for a voter ID bill—setting the stage for another battle over voting in the nation’s most pivotal swing state.

Legislation introduced last week by conservatives in the statehouse would require that voters show a driver’s license, passport or military ID. They could also get a special state ID card which costs $8.50, or is free for those who make less than the federal poverty line—$11,770 a year.

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http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/ohio-republicans-push-new-voter-id-bill

Do you agree or disagree with this?

 

[Zaac]

Yes Heaven forbid we should require people to prove who they are in order to engage in an activity that is foundational to our republic. The opposition to this is nothing more than an attempt to allow people to vote multiple times and to allow illegals to vote. Democrats cannot win without it.

Foolishness. If the GOP is so concerned about people proving who they are and maintaining the integrity of the voting process, then give the IDs away for free.

 

[InTheLight]

The opposition to this is nothing more than an attempt to allow people to vote multiple times and to allow illegals to vote. Democrats cannot win without it.

No, the opposition to this is similar to the opposition of a poll tax. Why should people have to pay to earn the constitutional right to vote?

 

[Zaac]

Do you agree or disagree with this?

I disagree.

I think their SOS has made a valid point about it not being needed as there have only been, according to his report, 0.003% possible fraudulent votes.

So I always go back to, if this is not something that is significantly influencing elections, what's the REAL reason for wanting to institute something that would disenfranchise voters?

Not to mention, when you have the Ann Coulters of the GOP world talking about taking tests to be able to vote, it all, once again comes across as the GOP again trying to use the law to re-enact the type of voting environment that was present during Jim Crow.

 

[Darrell C]

With 2016 approaching, Ohio Republicans are making a new push for a voter ID bill—setting the stage for another battle over voting in the nation’s most pivotal swing state.

Legislation introduced last week by conservatives in the statehouse would require that voters show a driver’s license, passport or military ID. They could also get a special state ID card which costs $8.50, or is free for those who make less than the federal poverty line—$11,770 a year.

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http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/ohio-republicans-push-new-voter-id-bill

I think this is a maneuver that shows bias and prejudice against Mickey Mouse.

If this horrendous idea goes through he will not be able to vote this time.


God bless.

 

[Jordan Kurecki]

No, the opposition to this is similar to the opposition of a poll tax. Why should people have to pay to earn the constitutional right to vote?

paying to vote would weed out people who don't really care about the country, if your not willing to pay 8.50 to vote, do we really want you voting?

 

[Darrell C]

I disagree.

I think their SOS has made a valid point about it not being needed as there have only been, according to his report, 0.003% possible fraudulent votes.

So I always go back to, if this is not something that is significantly influencing elections, what's the REAL reason for wanting to institute something that would disenfranchise voters?

Not to mention, when you have the Ann Coulters of the GOP world talking about taking tests to be able to vote, it all, once again comes across as the GOP again trying to use the law to re-enact the type of voting environment that was present during Jim Crow.

The right to vote is more important than the right to drive, which also requires licensing.

Do you see .003% fraud as acceptable? If Identification removes the possibility...is that really a bad thing? And why would you think this is a valid percentage? If there is .003% fraud in this information, does it matter that it is not accurate?


God bless.

 

[Darrell C]

paying to vote would weed out people who don't really care about the country, if your not willing to pay 8.50 to vote, do we really want you voting?

It might actually motivate some who don't ordinarily vote to vote. It's kind of a principle that doesn't make much sense but can be seen to be a reality: give someone something, they don't appreciate it. Make them pay for it...and they appreciate it.

Had a guy in my church who brought a truckload of tomatoes to Church to give them away, only a few people got a few. Went down the street, set up a sign, "Tomatoes for sale," and he sold every last one of them, lol.


God bless.

 

[just-want-peace]

I think this is a maneuver that shows bias and prejudice against Mickey Mouse.

If this horrendous idea goes through he will not be able to vote this time.


God bless.

And not only Mickey, but neither can Jimmy Hoffa, or LBJ, or JFK, etc!! :laugh:

 

[Darrell C]

And not only Mickey, but neither can Jimmy Hoffa, or LBJ, or JFK, etc!! :laugh:

Yeah. We should wait until we catch them voting twice before raising so many objections. I mean, no-one saw them vote twice...did they?

Just can't stand people accusing such notable figures as doing something wrong...


God bless.

 

[Don]

I disagree.

I think their SOS has made a valid point about it not being needed as there have only been, according to his report, 0.003% possible fraudulent votes.

So I always go back to, if this is not something that is significantly influencing elections, what's the REAL reason for wanting to institute something that would disenfranchise voters?

Not to mention, when you have the Ann Coulters of the GOP world talking about taking tests to be able to vote, it all, once again comes across as the GOP again trying to use the law to re-enact the type of voting environment that was present during Jim Crow.

One has to ask the question: Why wouldn't someone already have a driver's license? Or some other form of picture ID? Especially when they're talking about more than 930,000 people.

So some way to get money is the only thing I can really think of; but $8.50 for each of those 930,000 people only comes up to $7.9 million, so we're not really talking about a lot of revenue, either....

Will disenfranchising 930,000 voters really have that much of an effect on voting? Considering that in 2012, Ohio only had about a 67% turnout for registered voters? (let's stress registered; in 2012, there were 8 million registered voters, with only about 5.5 million actually voting; out of a population of 11.5 million people, so only half of the Ohioans voted anyway).

So I can't really think of a good reason why....

 

[Darrell C]

One has to ask the question: Why wouldn't someone already have a driver's license? Or some other form of picture ID? Especially when they're talking about more than 930,000 people.

So some way to get money is the only thing I can really think of; but $8.50 for each of those 930,000 people only comes up to $7.9 million, so we're not really talking about a lot of revenue, either....

Will disenfranchising 930,000 voters really have that much of an effect on voting? Considering that in 2012, Ohio only had about a 67% turnout for registered voters? (let's stress registered; in 2012, there were 8 million registered voters, with only about 5.5 million actually voting; out of a population of 11.5 million people, so only half of the Ohioans voted anyway).

So I can't really think of a good reason why....

Another question is where that percentage is concentrated.

This could hold important ramifications.

It was interesting on the last election that despite the fact that polls were to be closed it was many hours after they closed that voting was still going on.

I think along with identification we should make it mandatory that people show up and vote during the appointed times. In allowing people to wait until the last minute and creating lines which can in now way reasonably account for the population of that area, it creates an atmosphere that we know is not controlled.


God bless.

 

[InTheLight]

One has to ask the question: Why wouldn't someone already have a driver's license? Or some other form of picture ID?

Because they're elderly and don't drive anymore.

Because they are students and their driver's license or ID does not match the address on the voter registration rolls.

Because they just moved to another city/county/state and they don't have a driver's license that matches their new address.

Because they are poor and never owned a car, relying on public transportation all their lives.

Because they just had their purse/wallet stolen and their ID's were taken.

 

[Don]

Because they're elderly and don't drive anymore.

Because they are students and their driver's license or ID does not match the address on the voter registration rolls.

Because they just moved to another city/county/state and they don't have a driver's license that matches their new address.

Because they are poor and never owned a car, relying on public transportation all their lives.

Because they just had their purse/wallet stolen and their ID's were taken.

All valid reasons (well, except maybe for the students; shouldn't they be voting by absentee ballot for their home state?). 930,000 people?

 

[Zaac]

paying to vote would weed out people who don't really care about the country, if your not willing to pay 8.50 to vote, do we really want you voting?

Foolishness. It's not even a matter of what someone is willing to pay. It's if they should be required to pay for something as a requirement to vote.

And if it's $8.50 today, who is to say that some won't knock it to $85 tomorrow?

It's just another way that the GOP and the old privileged white men have come up with to "legally" attempt to do what they ILLEGALLY did during Jim Crow.

And the fact that folks sit back and pretend it's not the same thing is pretty disgusting.

 

[Zaac]

One has to ask the question: Why wouldn't someone already have a driver's license? Or some other form of picture ID? Especially when they're talking about more than 930,000 people.

Not everybody drives Don. Old people usually get someone to drive them around. And when you're poor and have been your entire life, what do you need a driver's license for if you don't have a car?

This is again a round about way of suppressing votes because they know that the majority of these poor people are Black and vote Democrat.

So some way to get money is the only thing I can really think of; but $8.50 for each of those 930,000 people only comes up to $7.9 million, so we're not really talking about a lot of revenue, either....

Because it's not about the revenue. When as the SOS said, 0.003%, was possibly fraudulent votes, there's OBVIOUSLY another motive for wanting this requirement because that percentage of the vote isn't winning or losing any elections.

Will disenfranchising 930,000 voters really have that much of an effect on voting? Considering that in 2012, Ohio only had about a 67% turnout for registered voters? (let's stress registered; in 2012, there were 8 million registered voters, with only about 5.5 million actually voting; out of a population of 11.5 million people, so only half of the Ohioans voted anyway).

So I can't really think of a good reason why....

Um, yes. 930,000 people is a lot of votes. Barack Obama beat Mitt Romney 2.8 million to 2.6 million votes in Ohio. You keep nearly a million folks from casting votes and there's no telling what the final tally would have been in 2012.

And THIS is what the GOP strategy is across the country. They know they are outnumbered so they have to "legally" try to keep folks from voting.

 

[Salty]

Because they're elderly and don't drive anymore..

Many States/Commonwealths provide a non-motorist ID. Here in NY - when you get one - the ID # is the same.

Because they are students and their driver's license or ID does not match the address on the voter registration rolls..

... students; shouldn't they be voting by absentee ballot for their home state?). 930,000 people?

Because they just moved to another city/county/state and they don't have a driver's license that matches their new address.

generaly most States/Commonwelaths require a 30 day residency - more than sufficient time! When Mrs Salty and move to a new county, within a week we "in-processed"* in our new county. ---- * that's a military term

Because they are poor and never owned a car, relying on public transportation all their lives..

But they have ID to purchase cancer sticks, ect. and if they are poor - they will have a Medicaid card - which at least in NY has their picture on it.

Because they just had their purse/wallet stolen and their ID's were taken.

Then they can vote a provisional ballot- but how many people does that happen to within a week of election; and have NO other form of ID.

No, the opposition to this is similar to the opposition of a poll tax. Why should people have to pay to earn the constitutional right to vote?

Just for giggles can you show me in the Constitution -where it gives all citizens the right to vote (and I am not talking about specific ones ie age, race, gender )


Next liberals will demand that the govt provide you transportation to the polls.

 

[Zaac]

Many States/Commonwealths provide a non-motorist ID. Here in NY - when you get one - the ID # is the same.

Irrelevant to Ohio attempting to charge.

But they have ID to purchase cancer sticks, ect. and if they are poor - they will have a Medicaid card - which at lest in NY has their picture on it.

How do you know they purchase cancer sticks or alcohol or anything else that requires an ID? That's just more bias speaking.

And I don't believe Ohio Medicaid cards have pictures on them.

Just for giggles can you show me in the Constitution -where it gives all citizens the right to vote (and I am not talking about specific ones ie age, race, gender )

There's no Constitutional right to vote. But there are laws that prohibit you trying to infringe upon someone else's ability to do the same things you freely do.