OK... I still have these nagging questions:

No. I am not, my friend. You are mistaken.

 

Then I guess the reward must be figurative also. Hey, so is the judgment seat of Christ!

 

1. I have no problem with using the Greek or any biblical language. I think it helps in interpretation of Scripture.

2. All I'm saying is that you are either contradicting yourself or you are using Greek words conveniently.

3. And your point about "Running off to Greek-Land" as pointless, makes a foundational argument in your camp pointless.

4. Well, Hope of Glory, whose work you are familar with, will have to reply on the pointlessness of his exercise.

 

Now DHK! Shame on you. The personal jab at my trust in the KJV is uncalled for. And being a "missionary" you should know better. Obviously, IF you are a missionary, then you already know that you have a heap of language work to do. Your PRIMARY objective would be to learn THEIR language so you can communicate with them at all!

Let's keep the rabbit trails to a minimum, k?

You and I both speak English. Let's try to establish a little understanding in OUR own language first before you go gallyvanting around the world about this issue. K?

And BTW; you will likely find this doctrine in many nations beside here in the good'ol USofA.

And now back to our program.....please?:BangHead:

 

1. So are the gold, silver, etc, literally what we must contribute to the building of Christ structure, who himself is the foundation?

2. BTW, is Christ a literal foundation that we find in constructing a physical structure?

3. Again, I'm willing to respect Paul's figurative language.

 

Kinda like "huge" and "large"!

 

Yes your right. I shouldn't have brought that subject up. And right again we have too many rabbit trails to chase as it is.

Actually no, I have never heard of it except when I came on this board.

Yes sir!

 

I had to add something here just to get the server to take my reply........:sleeping_2:

 

Just when i was about to give up on you my brother, you come out with the kindest, most conscientious, and most gracious post I've ever seen you write!

Praise God from whom all blessings flow. Thank you my brother for taking the time to write this post. It is an oasis in the desert.

Lacy

 

Thanks bro.

FYI: I know of men in Mexico, Jamaica, and the Dominican Republic, and England who also believe this doctrine and many more are 'coming aboard' everyday. See my comments to TC. We all do not hold to all the details identically, yet we do all accept the major points.

 

These are your quotes after you went off to Greek Land in post #100:

1. You clearly went off to Greek Land.

 

Major point being Jesus is coming back, and He isn't going to be happy.

 

There is nothing that we do that defiles the temple (building). You are reading that in there. It says "if any man defile the temple of God." It does not say, "IF WE defile the temple of God." I do not believe that is speaking of WE believers. It is speaking of false teachers. Remeber that if you look in the Greek the words defile and destroy are interchangeable. They are the exact same word. If one defiles the temple that one will be defiled. If one destroys the temple that one will be destroyed. The words mean the same.

I find it right here in this chapter--in the words, the context, the very picture that Paul is drawing for us.

That is reading into Scripture something that isn't there, that also contradicts the rest of Scripture. Paul is not teaching that. We "are not appointed unto wrath." That is a clear statement of Scripture. Chastisement ends at death, and does not carry into heaven or past that time. Nowhere does the Scriptures teach that.

It doesn't say "If any man among you"
It simply says "If any man." That means "any man."

 

1. According to post #34, Jim lists 1 Cor 3:15-17 as a support for their ME doctrine. Now, it turns out that 1 Cor 3:15-17 is not working for that ME doctrine.

2. I think it should be removed from the list.

 

TCGreek;
1. You it was who went off into Greek land. You it was who said they are different words and even posted those words immediately before the quote of mine you provide here.

2. To confirm that, I went to my KJVSL to check the veracity of your assertion. I copy and pasted the confirmation.

3. Then I said that running to Greek land is pointless as illustrated by the proof given. I still maintain it is pointless. Your INTIAL sortie into Greek land did nothing to further understanding of the passages whatsoever. MY point was to PROVE it using your own tactic.

4. There is NO contradiction here as concerning my assertion and conviction that wanderings into Greek land help in understanding this doctrine whatsoever. My INITIAL post of Greek in this thread is perhaps the FIRST time I have EVER used that dead language to reply to some silly use of it in a discussion. And I only did THAT because you left those two words out there in la-la land with narry a word of explaination. No contradiction at all, except where you feel compelled to prove one of us wrong no matter where you may find it even if you have to fabricate something. Need a stone for your ax?

 

You have not answered my #118 post. I wonder why the avoidance?

 

Only in that steel trap you call a mind.:wavey: (joking)

It has yet to be proven it does NOT apply. It stays until unequivocal proof is given. So far it has not. We have been consigned to prove the whole doctrine using one and only one verse at a time. Yet you IGNORE our plea that you prove the Trinity for example by the same methods you require of us.

Hardly equitable nor is it reasonable.

 

1. Then you should have stayed away from Greek land. As I said I have no problem in going to Greek land. In fact, I love Greek land. God has given us it to plow and reap the benefits.

2. Furthermore, you went on to comment that the meaning of those words strengthen your point. The only how a person can know that is through some reasoning on both sides of the issue. So you didn't just go to confirm that the words are different.

3. I brought up the two different Greek words because it is common for the ME camp to build doctrine on the differences of words. The mere fact that they were two different Greek words, presented a problem for the ME camp.

4. BTW, you were not obligated to post #100.

 

Perhaps you missed my comment that this carnival ride was making me dizzy? LOL:1_grouphug: Round-n-round we go!!!!

I'll go look and answer it if it hasn't already been answered by my brethren, k?