Old folks who think they love old things

[prophet]

I am not surprised you "didn't see pretrib" when reading Cotton and Increase Mather. You have demonstrated repeatedly your lack basic reading comprehension.

Really? When did I do that?

I have relayed some things from memory, in the form of a question, that were not anything I had ever read. And I will admit when I dont have the facts right.

I challenge you to demonstrate where I read a post, and obviously couldnt comprehend what I read.

You should reserve the right to be wrong at times, as well. You are very wrong in some of your doctrine, yet you will go to your grave degrading others for pointing it out.

Congratulations on reaching your plateau, too bad you couldnt have kept going.

 

[Luke2427]

Your data is not reputable. I have shown that to be true. It is skewed. It doesn't take into consideration the methods most fundamentalists use to teach their children. Therefore it is a completely dishonest picture of the education of the fundamentalist movement. Of course they never graduated from the public school system. They were never in it to begin with!

You've shown nothing. You've provided no data that tells us how many fundamentalists get this diploma that government statistics bureaus know nothing about.

 

[John of Japan]

What I found so highly amusing is that they were fussing back and forth after both of them doing exactly the same thing! The only difference was the timing.

BJU separated from Billy Graham when he drifted into Neo Evangelicalism. JRR did exactly the same thing, but only after trying to convince Billy of the error of his ways. When it became obvious to JRR that Billy was not going to change, he too separated from him. But, according to BJ Jr. he was too slow. Yes, BJ, following the biblical mandate of going to the person in question and trying to win him to the truth is very time consuming!

In retrospect, this view is pretty much mine, too. But at the time, it was all pretty emotional what with the family connection. I remember sinking down in my seat when BJ talked about my family in chapel.

 

[DHK]

You've shown nothing. You've provided no data that tells us how many fundamentalists get this diploma that government statistics bureaus know nothing about.

I have shown you statistics in one of these threads. But it is obvious they won't be government statistics. All of my children were educated somewhat differently. One of them spent his last two years in a private Christian school by accredited. He received a government diploma. Another graduated from an unaccredited Christian school but challenged the government diploma. Both received it. Another graduated from an unaccredited Christian home school without receiving a government diploma, but only the diploma of the High School. The government would have no record of this. The other two were completely home-schooled. One was home-schooled but was supervised by an accredited school. She was accepted into Northlands University. The other was completely home-schooled by us and we made up a diploma for him upon his graduation from our home school. He was accepted into BJU.

This is a snapshot of many families. Not all families have children that receive government diplomas. Half of my children didn't. Both of us are college graduates and have the advantage that most other parents don't--the means and ability to take our children all the way through. Many live in areas where the Christian school is under the auspices of the local church and don't want it to be accredited.

If you are so ignorant about the home-schooling movement among the Fundamentalists then you have your homework cut out for you.

[FONT=&quot]A homeschooling movement is sweeping the nation – with 1.5 million children now learning at home, an increase of 75 percent since 1999.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The Department of Education’s National Center for Education Statistics reported homeschooling has risen by 36 percent in just the last five years.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“There’s no reason to believe it would not keep going up,” NCES statistician Gail Mulligan told USA Today.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]A 2007 survey asked parents why they choose to homeschool and allowed them to provide several reasons. The following are the most popular responses:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] Concern about the school environment, including reasons such as safety, drugs or negative peer pressure – 88 percent[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] A desire to provide religious or moral instruction – 83 percent[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] A dissatisfaction with academic instruction at other schools – 73 percent[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] Nontraditional approach to children’s education – or “unschoolers” who consider typical curriculums and standardized testing as counterproductive to quality education – 65 percent[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] Other reasons, such as family time, finances, travel and distance – 32 percent[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] Child has special needs (other than physical or mental health problems) that schools cannot or will not meet – 21 percent[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] Child has a physical or mental health problem – 11 percent[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Parents who report that they homeschool to provide religious or moral instruction increased from 72 percent to 83 percent from 2003 to 2007.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Above all other responses, parents cited providing religious and moral instruction as the most important factor in the decision to teach their children at home (36 percent). The second most important issue was concern about the school environment (21 percent), while the third reason was dissatisfaction with academic instruction at other schools (17 percent).[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Research has shown the positive effects of homeschooling through the years. While some critics say teaching children at home may stunt their social growth, Dr. Brian D. Ray, president of National Home Education Research Institute, reveals homeschooled students fare well or better than[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]public and private school students in terms of social, emotional and[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]psychological development.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Additionally, homeschoolers earn higher marks than peers who attend public schools. In Academic Leadership, and online journal, Dr. Ray and Bruce K. Eagleson also cite findings from at least three nationwide studies across the United States and two nationwide studies in Canada.[/FONT]
http://www.wnd.com/2009/01/85408/

Now that survey was done in 2009. The movement has only increased since then, especially among fundamentalists.

This paper focuses on the fundamentalist and evangelical Christian homeschoolers because 85% – 90% of homeschoolers are fundamentalist or evangelical Christians. (Gaither 2009, p. 341) When the modern homeschooling movement first started there were roughly 10,000-15,000 children who were homeschooled in the USA, but by the mid-80’s the professional estimates are at somewhere between 120,000 and 240,000 (Gaither 2009, p. 341) and now that number is even higher at 1.35 million children in the United States are now homeschooled, (Cooper & Sereau 2007, p. 110) with the majority of these being fundamentalist or evangelical Christians.


The Pedagogues simply wanted their children to be able to learn in a natural environment rather than be in institutionalized schooling, because they believed that natural learning was better for their children. Their primary motive was that their children be well-educated. Whereas the primary motive of the Ideologues was to religiously indoctrinate their children in Christian fundamentalism. (Coleman 2010, unpub.) In fact, most religiously motivated homeschoolers believe that they are fighting a culture war and that they must keep their children from being influenced by society, which they usually call “the world”. The culture wars are very important to fundamentalist Christians, and they believe that they are raising children in order to “take back America for Christ”. (Coleman 2010, unpub.)
http://homeschoolersanonymous.wordp...vement-in-america-part-1-by-katy-anne-wilson/

You can chew on that for awhile.