Old Testament Kingdom Prophecies. Literally or spiritually understood?

[Calminian]

Please give an example of dual fulfillment.

I did! Adoption.

Rom. 8:23 Not only that, but we also who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, eagerly waiting for the adoption, the redemption of our body.​

Honestly, you're not familiar with this concept?

 

[George Antonios]

Literal = Phariseeism. DO you think Jesus was wrong when he said the kingdom arrived with him? And think the Pharisees were right?

You have yet to deal with post #22 which presents a comprehensive and tabulated view of the verses dealing with the kingdom.
You're simply cherry-picking the verses that speak of the spiritual aspect of the kingdom.

 

[Covenanter]

If this passage [ 2 Samuel 7:12–13 ] is talking about both the throne of David and the throne of the Kingdom of God in the teachings of Jesus, then we have God as a descendant of David--"thy seed."

Hi John, hope you are fully recovered from your recent illness. I don't often post now - It seems a fruitless activity, but I think I can contribute usefully here.

The Gospel do speak of Jesus being the Son of David, meaning that through stepfather Joseph he was born into David's family line, but born of a virgin, Mary, as the Son of God. Jesus challenged the Pharisees with your question. Mat. 22:41-46

Dave quoted these Scriptures -

“Then sat Solomon upon the throne of David his father; and his kingdom was established greatly.” 1 Kings 2:12 (KJV 1900)

“Then Solomon sat on the throne of the LORD as king instead of David his father, and prospered; and all Israel obeyed him.” 1 Chronicles 29:23 (KJV 1900)

When the Israelites demanded a king, the LORD told Samuel - "... they have rejected Me, that I should not reign over them." 1 Sam. 8:7

The human kings of Israel were in effect usurpers sitting on God's throne. Obviously we need to understand that figuratively; the LORD didn't provide David with the heavenly throne sent down to earth. David reigned over Israel as king, but we understand that a godly king was a type of Christ, as were the high priests; sacrifices & even the tabernacle & temple. They were constant reminders that God dwells with his people. Exo. 25:8. John alludes to this in John 1:14 "And the Word became flesh, and did tabernacle among us..."

I think you are arguing that David's throne was on earth, so Jesus will come to earth to sit on it during the millennium. Peter in Acts 2 argues that Jesus' resurrection & ascension fulfilled David's prophecy. Being at God's right hand means that he is exercising the authority of the LORD the King. In Rev. 5 Jesus is in the midst of the throne.

The remaining quotes are relevant to the discussion.

They are the same in the New Covenant. In fact, David's Throne was Gods' throne in the OT.

Jesus yet to set upon the throne of David over the Jews, as they rejected Him before, but at His returning, they will say "blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord"

Messiah yet to set upon it!

Reference please? God's throne as in possession or God's throne in that God sat on it?

According to Hebrews 12:2, Jesus is currently not on the throne of God, but seated to the right of it. "Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God."

If this passage is talking about both the throne of David and the throne of the Kingdom of God in the teachings of Jesus, then we have God as a descendant of David--"thy seed."

It's not future eschatology. It's fulfilled eschatology.
“But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you.” Luke 11:20 (KJV 1900)

Is Jesus God? Then consider the implications of Hebrews


“Then sat Solomon upon the throne of David his father; and his kingdom was established greatly.” 1 Kings 2:12 (KJV 1900)

“Then Solomon sat on the throne of the LORD as king instead of David his father, and prospered; and all Israel obeyed him.” 1 Chronicles 29:23 (KJV 1900)

“To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.” Revelation 3:21 (KJV 1900)

“And of all my sons, (for the LORD hath given me many sons,) he hath chosen Solomon my son to sit upon the throne of the kingdom of the LORD over Israel.” 1 Chronicles 28:5 (KJV 1900)

“Blessed be the LORD thy God, which delighted in thee to set thee on his throne, to be king for the LORD thy God: because thy God loved Israel, to establish them for ever, therefore made he thee king over them, to do judgment and justice.” 2 Chronicles 9:8 (KJV 1900)

“And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb. In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:” Revelation 22:1–3 (KJV 1900)

Sorry, nope. Peter used the same terminology that Paul did, "revelation" (Greek apokalupsis). there is no way in the world for you to prove an amil position from Peter. All you have is an argument from silence, which is no argument at all. Peter had several general statements about the Second Coming, but they were certainly not amil statements. Just to be sure, I just read 1 & 2 Peter once again, and I'm right.

 

[Calminian]

...I think you are arguing that David's throne was on earth, so Jesus will come to earth to sit on it during the millennium. Peter in Acts 2 argues that Jesus' resurrection & ascension fulfilled David's prophecy. Being at God's right hand means that he is exercising the authority of the LORD the King. In Rev. 5 Jesus is in the midst of the throne.....

Gosh, how sad to believe this. What an epic failure to fulfill prophecies about the messiah.

Is. 9:6 For unto us a Child is born,
Unto us a Son is given;
And the government will be upon His shoulder.​

You'll only receive the blessing of Revelation if you believe what is written.

 

[George Antonios]

Gosh, how sad to believe this. What an epic failure to fulfill prophecies about the messiah.

Is. 9:6 For unto us a Child is born,
Unto us a Son is given;
And the government will be upon His shoulder.​

You'll only receive the blessing of Revelation if you believe what is written.

Please see post #22 which no one has so far addressed despite aiming to be comprehensive in regards to verses,
and please bear in mind the scriptural principle of twoedged applications. A partial/spiritual fulfillment does not negate the fuller/literal fulfillment of a prophecy. Example: John Baptist was the fulfillment of the prophecy of the coming of Elijah, and yet the Lord still told us: Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things (Mt.17:11).

 

[Calminian]

Please see post #22 which no one has so far addressed despite aiming to be comprehensive in regards to verses,
and please bear in mind the scriptural principle of twoedged applications. A partial/spiritual fulfillment does not negate the fuller/literal fulfillment of a prophecy. Example: John Baptist was the fulfillment of the prophecy of the coming of Elijah, and yet the Lord still told us: Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things (Mt.17:11).

I've already affirmed this point. My post in no way negates that point.

 

[Squire Robertsson]

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