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Old Testament men were not saved by "looking forward to the cross"

George Antonios

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God has the same standard to save any sinner, absolute keeping of His Moral Law!
Yeshua, dear brother, your posts are almost always a mere repetition of your conviction ending with an exclamation mark.
If you wish to help others come out of their heresy and see the truth, you need to engage with the many, many verses which have been supplied and expounded, and correct the interpretations with equal scriptural diligence.
 

Calminian

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Yeshua, dear brother, your posts are almost always a mere repetition of your conviction ending with an exclamation mark.
If you wish to help others come out of their heresy and see the truth, you need to engage with the many, many verses which have been supplied and expounded, and correct the interpretations with equal scriptural diligence.

On the contrary George, you need to listen to him and others. You post a lot strange things, and need correction.
 

George Antonios

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On the contrary George, you need to listen to him and others. You post a lot strange things, and need correction.
I said if you're going to correct [implying I'm open to correction], do it with scriptural diligence rather than simply repeating a mantra (which may or may not be true).
How in the world could you disagree with that?!
You want the "contrary" of scriptural correction?
No wonder what I say sounds "strange" to you then.
It reflects a bias so strong that you can't even read/understand what's being said. You just know it comes from me, so you must reflexively oppose it, even when any honest opponent would have fully agreed with my post which you quoted.
 
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George Antonios

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I hope I don't become so arrogant and condescending, I refuse to listen to anyone.
I have come out of Catholicism, Calvinism, Replacement theology, non-dispensationalism, opposition to KJVO, and Amillennialism, because I listened to others and prayed and the Lord showed me I was wrong.
Reserve your judgment to yourself.
Mat 7:4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
There are number of men who disagree with me on this board while having publicly expressed their appreciation that I at least try to build a scriptural case with diligence - as I also have concerning them. You can't even countenance allowing that much, as evidenced by your condemnation of my reply to Yeshua, and when I called you out on it, you shifted the focus.
 

Calminian

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I have come out of Catholicism, Calvinism, Replacement theology, non-dispensationalism, opposition to KJVO, and Amillennialism, because I listened to others and prayed and the Lord showed me I was wrong......

And maybe your journey's not over. You think this justified arrogance and condescension toward some? Trust me, your journey is not over. There's no reason to think you've arrived. Mysteries will unfold to the end.
 

George Antonios

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And maybe your journey's not over. You think this justified arrogance and condescension toward some? Trust me, your journey is not over. There's no reason to think you've arrived. Mysteries will unfold to the end.

Mat 12:7 But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.
 

Calminian

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Mat 12:7 But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.

So now you're guiltless?

Plus I'm looking at this list you provided.

I have come out of Catholicism, Calvinism, Replacement theology, non-dispensationalism, opposition to KJVO, and Amillennialism, because I listened to others and prayed and the Lord showed me I was wrong.

It would appear you think all these are non-orthodox and heresy, and some of them certainly are not. It makes me wondering who you are listening to. And when you'll be condemning your current position as heresy.

At the very least, some non-dogmatism and humility should come out of this.
 

George Antonios

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So now you're guiltless?

Plus I'm looking at this list you provided.

It would appear you think all these are non-orthodox and heresy, and some of them certainly are not. It makes me wondering who you are listening to. And when you'll be condemning your current position as heresy.

At the very least, some non-dogmatism and humility should come out of this.

You are right, I am wrong. You are humble, I am proud.

Now let's move on.
 

David Kent

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Dispensationalism with a captial D is a doctrine that teaches the church is a sort of parentheses in God's real plan which was the elevation of the Jews as the supreme rulers of of the world, Christ as King, with all nations under the law of sacrifice and offering.
Of course it does. That is why it is a false teaching.
 

Iconoclast

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Please show scripture for old testiment saints being saved?
If any one could have been saved before Christ there would have been no need of Christ to come.
MB
When Enoch was translated to heaven, do you think he was unsaved?
 

MB

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When Enoch was translated to heaven, do you think he was unsaved?
He was translated not saved even you acknowledge that he was translated and now you are claiming he was saved by looking forward to Christ. Still you place the cart before the horse :Rolleyes
MB
 

Iconoclast

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He was translated not saved even you acknowledge that he was translated and now you are claiming he was saved by looking forward to Christ. Still you place the cart before the horse :Rolleyes
MB
He is listed in Hebrews 11 the faith chapter as someone who pleased God.
Do you think unsaved people please God?
Do you know of any unsaved people being taken into heaven.
It says without faith it is impossible to please God.
 

Dave G

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Do you know of any unsaved people being taken into heaven.
Amen, Tony.

" Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother’s womb, and be born?
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and [of] the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God." ( John 3:3-5 ).
 
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