On Gun Control and Socialism . . .

[Aaron]

. . . liberals know the truth. It isn't about safety or prosperity. They know their policies are destructive to both. The recourse is no longer argument. The thief that has broken into your home won't be stopped by arguments about why he has no right to the things you own. He knows he has no right to them, and he will yield only to force.

Unless God moves upon this nation, that is the only recourse for free men in America.

 

[General Mung Beans]

I'm pro-gun rights/Second Amendment myself but this is exactly the sort of rhetoric that makes people think we are all a bunch of conspiracy theorist/survivalist militia members like the fellows at Ruby Ridge or Waco.

 

[Zaac]

. . . liberals know the truth. It isn't about safety or prosperity. They know their policies are destructive to both. The recourse is no longer argument. The thief that has broken into your home won't be stopped by arguments about why he has no right to the things you own. He knows he has no right to them, and he will yield only to force.

Unless God moves upon this nation, that is the only recourse for free men in America.

There's just something about this statement that screams of the world. It's as though we're setting the world up to turn to guns just in case.

Whether or not God moves on this nation is partially up to HIS people.

And when our answer is the same as the world's, then why would God heal the land?

We should be pointing people to God with our undying, unrelenting, fervent KNOWING---not unlesses---but KNOWING that God WILL move if His people will repent and start honoring HIM as the answer and not always putting forth a fail safe answer.

The only answer Christians need to be giving is the answer that is the ONLY ONE Who can save. JESUS.

 

[Don]

Zaac -- please explain the Revolutionary War from the viewpoint you give here. Are you saying that Americans, at that time, didn't repent enough, and/or weren't obedient enough, and/or didn't preach enough? Should they have not spoken out against the British government, or encouraged others to take up arms against them?

Just trying to understand.

 

[carpro]

Zaac -- please explain the Revolutionary War from the viewpoint you give here. Are you saying that Americans, at that time, didn't repent enough, and/or weren't obedient enough, and/or didn't preach enough? Should they have not spoken out against the British government, or encouraged others to take up arms against them?

Just trying to understand.

There's nothing to understand.

 

[Streetsweeper]

........... this is exactly the sort of rhetoric that makes people think we are all a bunch of conspiracy theorist/survivalist militia members like the fellows at Ruby Ridge or Waco.

This is my impression.

 

[Aaron]

I'm pro-gun rights/Second Amendment myself but this is exactly the sort of rhetoric that makes people think we are all a bunch of conspiracy theorist/survivalist militia members like the fellows at Ruby Ridge or Waco.

You lie....

 

[Zaac]

Zaac -- please explain the Revolutionary War from the viewpoint you give here. Are you saying that Americans, at that time, didn't repent enough, and/or weren't obedient enough, and/or didn't preach enough? Should they have not spoken out against the British government, or encouraged others to take up arms against them?

Just trying to understand.

I can't speak to what Americans did during the Revolutionary War as I was not there.

But when the Church starts giving the same answer that the world does for what ails us, something is SEVERELY wrong.

The default answer coming from the Body of Christ HAS to be JESUS. We're in the place we are right now because that has not been the case. we've assisted the world in placing other things as gods before GOD.

That's one of the primary reasons the Church needs to repent.

 

[Salty]

I can't speak to what Americans did during the Revolutionary War as I was not there.

Then I suggest you start doing some seriously study of History

 

[Don]

I can't speak to what Americans did during the Revolutionary War as I was not there.

But when the Church starts giving the same answer that the world does for what ails us, something is SEVERELY wrong.

The default answer coming from the Body of Christ HAS to be JESUS. We're in the place we are right now because that has not been the case. we've assisted the world in placing other things as gods before GOD.

That's one of the primary reasons the Church needs to repent.

That's a cop-out, and you know it. Did you not have at least one history course during your upbringing? Are you the product of a failed public school system, or a "chained in the basement homeschooled kid"?

The scenario is very simple. Americans at that time were upset about increasing taxes, and increasing government control. Some of them started talking about taking up arms against that government, and encouraged others to do the same.

Would you have preached to them what you preach here?

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

That's a cop-out, and you know it. Did you not have at least one history course during your upbringing? Are you the product of a failed public school system, or a "chained in the basement homeschooled kid"?

The scenario is very simple. Americans at that time were upset about increasing taxes, and increasing government control. Some of them started talking about taking up arms against that government, and encouraged others to do the same.

Would you have preached to them what you preach here?

Ohhhh no....well I did not get the whole of this discussion, but please dont make any references to taking up arms against the United States Government because you will get slaughtered!!!!

 

[Aaron]

The scenario is very simple. Americans at that time were upset about increasing taxes, and increasing government control. Some of them started talking about taking up arms against that government, and encouraged others to do the same.

This doesn't accurately portray the oppression of the king, the suffering of the colonists, and the years of appeals and supplications that fell on deaf ears.

It was the consensus of the governments and Gospel ministers of the colonies, not merely "upset" citizens, that the goal of the king was to impose absolute despotism and each act of the monarchy was merely a means to that end.

The most cited text in support of the Revolution was Romans 13.

 

[blackbird]

That's a cop-out, and you know it. Did you not have at least one history course during your upbringing? Are you the product of a failed public school system, or a "chained in the basement homeschooled kid"?

The scenario is very simple. Americans at that time were upset about increasing taxes, and increasing government control. Some of them started talking about taking up arms against that government, and encouraged others to do the same.

Would you have preached to them what you preach here?

Just a note here for Don

My wife and I have homeschooled our kids for the past 14 years----this is our last year---we draw homeschooling to a close in our lives with the graduation of our boy----seems like yesterday we started with him

As homeschoolers---they were NOT (as you say) chained in the basement---but were on top of their Revolution history through such channels as Patrick Henry College, Bob Jones & Sonlight curriculms

I thank the Lord Jesus that our United States Founders took up arms against the tyranny of the United Kingdom's King George and knowing what I know ---- and my children knowing what they know of our nation's birth-----we would not have hesitated a moment in grabbing our Musket and becoming part of General Washington's Militia!!

But 235 years into the future---to our day----we don't have a congress with the nerve to stand against tyranny---nor do we have a general public with the backbone and stomach to look through the iron sights of a Musket toward the enemy of a free Republic

I am in the middle of watching the mini series by Ken Burns on the Civil War---and exclaimed to my wife that we don't have an American public willing to fight the third "Bull Run"(it was fought twice during the War between the States)---nor do we have the stomach to stand firm at places like Gettysburg, Shiloh and Vicksburg(win or loose, Union or Confederate)----noone in modern society has the stomach or nerve to do it all over again--whether they would choose to fight for Union and Grant or Confederate and Lee!!!

Congress does not have the GUTS to impeach a immoral, God forsaken President whos misgivings in the Oval Office is a disgrace to the history of the United States of America(I'm talking about Clinton)----where in the world will they find the GUTS to stand against what we see going on towards the FISCAL CLIFF wer'e stampeeding toward at this very moment!!!!

 

[Don]

Ohhhh no....well I did not get the whole of this discussion, but please dont make any references to taking up arms against the United States Government because you will get slaughtered!!!!

Not my intention at all; I was trying to point Zaac to a time in history where taking up arms was accepted, and even encouraged; and ask him, if he were in the same position then, would he be preaching the same message. If he can't put forth an intelligent position statement in that regard, then he should be able to point out the differences between that time period and this one, and then explain why his position would be different.

 

[Don]

This doesn't accurately portray the oppression of the king, the suffering of the colonists, and the years of appeals and supplications that fell on deaf ears.

It was the consensus of the governments and Gospel ministers of the colonies, not merely "upset" citizens, that the goal of the king was to impose absolute despotism and each act of the monarchy was merely a means to that end.

The most cited text in support of the Revolution was Romans 13.

As mentioned to EWF: Trying to keep it simple for Zaac. Don't confuse him with actual historical facts and background.

 

[Don]

Just a note here for Don

My wife and I have homeschooled our kids for the past 14 years----this is our last year---we draw homeschooling to a close in our lives with the graduation of our boy----seems like yesterday we started with him

As homeschoolers---they were NOT (as you say) chained in the basement---but were on top of their Revolution history through such channels as Patrick Henry College, Bob Jones & Sonlight curriculms

Blackbird - we pulled my oldest out of the public schools when she was in second grade. Both my older two graduated from homeschool, and went on to college. My youngest is 13; we occasionally take them to a local school for standardized testing. When we did that last year (when he was 12), he scored lowest in Math (7th grade level); but his reading scores were at college level. His older sister at age 15 (she's now 16) scored above college level. All four kids are doing pretty well -- in spite of their parents. :laugh:

My remark was intended to be an inflammatory comment to Zaac, and identified extremes (not all public schools are "failed"; and many still have teachers who care, who teach, and who produce students who actually learned and continue to learn...just as most homeschools produce individuals who learned and continue to learn).

Zaac seems to prefer spouting rhetoric. I simply want to see if he can use the tools God gave him to use--including his brain.

 

[Salty]

Just a note here for Don
As homeschoolers---they were NOT (as you say) chained in the basement---but were on top of their Revolution history through such channels as Patrick Henry College, Bob Jones & Sonlight curriculms

I cant actually speak for Don, but I have a feeling he was just being facetious

Congress does not have the GUTS to impeach a immoral, God forsaken President whos misgivings in the Oval Office is a disgrace to the history of the United States of America(I'm talking about Clinton)----

Check your history - The House (Grand Jury) DID impeach (indicted) Clinton, but the Senate (jury) did not convict
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[Earth Wind and Fire]

Just a note here for Don

My wife and I have homeschooled our kids for the past 14 years----this is our last year---we draw homeschooling to a close in our lives with the graduation of our boy----seems like yesterday we started with him

As homeschoolers---they were NOT (as you say) chained in the basement---but were on top of their Revolution history through such channels as Patrick Henry College, Bob Jones & Sonlight curriculms

I thank the Lord Jesus that our United States Founders took up arms against the tyranny of the United Kingdom's King George and knowing what I know ---- and my children knowing what they know of our nation's birth-----we would not have hesitated a moment in grabbing our Musket and becoming part of General Washington's Militia!!

But 235 years into the future---to our day----we don't have a congress with the nerve to stand against tyranny---nor do we have a general public with the backbone and stomach to look through the iron sights of a Musket toward the enemy of a free Republic

I am in the middle of watching the mini series by Ken Burns on the Civil War---and exclaimed to my wife that we don't have an American public willing to fight the third "Bull Run"(it was fought twice during the War between the States)---nor do we have the stomach to stand firm at places like Gettysburg, Shiloh and Vicksburg(win or loose, Union or Confederate)----noone in modern society has the stomach or nerve to do it all over again--whether they would choose to fight for Union and Grant or Confederate and Lee!!!

Congress does not have the GUTS to impeach a immoral, God forsaken President whos misgivings in the Oval Office is a disgrace to the history of the United States of America(I'm talking about Clinton)----where in the world will they find the GUTS to stand against what we see going on towards the FISCAL CLIFF wer'e stampeeding toward at this very moment!!!!

Aint dat a witch! tell me brother, when your kids ask you if you ever served in the military, what do you say?

 

[blackbird]

Aint dat a witch! tell me brother, when your kids ask you if you ever served in the military, what do you say?

When I was birthed in '59----the doc used forceps in delivery----the forceps clamped down on my left eye causing irreversable damage to the eye's Optic Nerve----thus I am legally blind in my left eye---although noone looking at the eye can tell---except the Opthomoligist

Thus I was ruled out of military service----not by MY choice, though

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

When I was birthed in '59----the doc used forceps in delivery----the forceps clamped down on my left eye causing irreversable damage to the eye's Optic Nerve----thus I am legally blind in my left eye---although noone looking at the eye can tell---except the Opthomoligist

Thus I was ruled out of military service----not by MY choice, though

I am of the belief that every "able bodied adult" should serve the country ....ah let Congress define the time frame and tour....but its important from the giving back prospective. I also believe that politicians must spend time in the military...men and women alike & NO PRESIDENT can be elected without having served in the military.