Featured Open Baptists & Paedobaptism

Am I wrong to assume you hold to dispensationalism?

 

No, not my nonsense, but YOUR IGNORANCE.

From Strongs Concordance for "baptize":

Greek "baptizo":

1. to dip repeatedly, to immerse, to submerge (of vessels sunk)
   
   
2. to cleanse by dipping or submerging, to wash, to make clean with water, to wash one's self, bathe
   
   
3. to overwhelm

It came into English C. 1300 & originally meant the same as the Greek, & was soon applied to the Christian rite as well as any immersion into water of anyone/anything.

Educate yourself a little before you call something nonsense.

 

No i'm not a dispensationalist. I am still studying and learning but I would be more in line with 1689 federalism.

Why do you think I was a dispensationalist? What about you?

 

To me, that's a main proof of the symbolism if baptism. Jesus didn't hesitate to save that man because He knew that man's heart & that he believed in Jesus, knowing full well he couldn't be baptized.

 

it is nonsense. Scripture isn't saying that once you repent and believe go and have a bath. No baptism is much more than that, as i'm sure you agree. There is a specific purpose to be Baptised.

 

Yes. Of course.

No one is considered 'baptized' unless they are doing it for the right reason; i.e., they are picturing what Christ has done for them.

Unbelievers can not claim to have been 'baptized', no matter how old they were.

 

what about the thief on the cross, who was never water baptized? Jesus promised him eternal life!

 

Romans 6

3 Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. 5 For if we have been united together in the likeness of His death, certainly we also shall be in the likeness of His resurrection, 6 knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin. 7 For he who has died has been freed from sin.

 

Baptism of The Holy Spirit is the only thing that matters as related to eternal Salvation... If you are not regenerated before you are immersed in the baptismal water... As one of our preachers said it back in the day and I've said it before and I'll say it again... You go in a dry devil and come out a wet one... Brother Glen

 

I agree. However, I think the proper response to this is to avoid it, preach against it, and try to root it out of our practice whenever possible. That is, as opposed to thinking, "Oh, well, Baptists are already practicing paedobaptism so what does it hurt to receive others who were baptized as infants."

Eventually some Baptists decide to jettison the pretense and go all the way to baptizing infants.
Infant baptism among Baptists

 

So by "regenerational Baptist" you are saying that you have run across someone on the CARM site who claims to be a Baptist and also believes a person is saved by baptism? I've heard tell that there are some of those, but have never run across one.

 

Piper also understands and follows covenant theology. Are you saying you disagree with covenant theology in regards to the church being the chosen/elect people of God who recognize the covenant seal through baptism?

 

Sounds like someone from the "Church of Christ" (restoration movement)

 

I grew up in dispensationalism and have moved to covenant theology as I have studied scripture.

 

No as the prior one was not a valid Baptism!

 

Can get tricky though, as some seem to see it as actually bringing them into Covenant with God, and only if they undo by disbelief gets undone!

 

Same here!