Open View of Salvation vs. Predetermination

[Brother Bob]

You post about 4 post a day...i post 4.7 a day...guess who has both us us beat by 60%?

Guess who he just can't keep his mouth off of Satunpetune;

 

[Joseph_Botwinick]

I been in some pretty crazy discussions but this is over the edge Joseph. No, I am not going to engage you in a debate if Jesus could go around murdering people and still die for our sins.

Brother Bob,

I don't blame you for not wanting to explain your liberal, indefensible heresy.

Joseph Botwinick

 

[Jarthur001]

I been in some pretty crazy discussions but this is over the edge Joseph. No, I am not going to engage you in a debate if Jesus could go around murdering people and still die for our sins.

I do not think he will answer you. :smilewinkgrin: :smilewinkgrin:

But..whatelse is new?

 

[Brother Bob]

Brother Bob,

I don't blame you for not wanting to explain your liberal, indefensible heresy.

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If it is liberal to not believe that Jesus is a murderer then bring it on Hillary.

 

[Jarthur001]

Guess who he just can't keep his mouth off of Satunpetune;

good one Bob.

 

[Brother Bob]

Truth James sadly.

You back any horse but me no matter what they say. Here comes Joseph saying Jesus killed people and you jump right on the band wagon. Why don't you stand up for your self and your principles sometimes James. Are you a weak kneed tall boy.

Are you going for another shut down James?

 

[Joseph_Botwinick]

If it is liberal to not believe that Jesus is a murderer then bring it on Hillary.

Yep. It is liberal heresy. Do you read much Spong?

Joseph Botwinick

 

[Brother Bob]

Yep. It is liberal heresy. Do you read much Spong?

I am sorry Joseph, I don't engage children on here or at least try not to but get hung up with one every once in a while anyway.

 

[Jarthur001]

Truth James sadly.

You back any horse but me no matter what they say. Here comes Joseph saying Jesus killed people and you jump right on the band wagon. Why don't you stand up for your self and your principles sometimes James. Are you a weak kneed tall boy.

good one Bob...

will you answer joe? nope. oh well

 

[saturneptune]

James,
The point is that Bob and Joe are debating, not you. Why dont you go over to the wall opposite your computer, put a dot on the wall and stick your nose to it until they are finished, then you can continue your Arminian agenda in Calvin clothes.

 

[Joseph_Botwinick]

James,

Of course he isn't going to answer me. He is too afraid that God might end up being somebody he doesn't like. This is one of the greatest dangers I see with trying to make God after our own image and our own desires and wishes instead of simply accepting God as the sovereign, Holy, Righteous, Just, judge, redeeming God of the whole universe.

Joseph Botwinick

 

[Joseph_Botwinick]

James,
The point is that Bob and Joe are debating, not you. Why dont you go over to the wall opposite your computer, put a dot on the wall and stick your nose to it until they are finished, then you can continue your Arminian agenda in Calvin clothes.

Actually,

Bob quit debating about a page or two ago when he realized he had nothing to back up his heretical position.

Joseph Botwinick

 

[Brother Bob]

Joseph says that Jesus is a killer and want me to debate him about it. lol:laugh:

 

[Joseph_Botwinick]

Joseph says that Jesus is a killer and want me to debate him about it. lol:laugh:

Jesus is the righteous, sovereign God of all eternity, and has, in his holiness, killed sinful men in his righteous judgments. Brother Bob denies this in his heretical theological error, and then refuses to defend his own position. The only thing that is really funny about this whole situation is that I would actually expect Bob to be able to defend his ridicilous theological errors. This just isn't his style.

Joseph Botwinick

 

[Jarthur001]

James,
The point is that Bob and Joe are debating, not you. Why dont you go over to the wall opposite your computer, put a dot on the wall and stick your nose to it until they are finished, then you can continue your Arminian agenda in Calvin clothes.

Oh i'm sorry...I thought this was a public message board.

humm...now wait. if we cannot jump in at anytime..why do you jump in all the time?

thats right...because it is a public message board.

 

[Brother Bob]

Originally Posted by Brother Bob
Never, but Joseph;
You made a bad mistake comparing John Calvin with God. Just admit it and let it go man.

I quoted more of that statement than I meant to. I was not comparing Calvin with God, but correcting your theological error that you never saw Jesus going around killing anyone.

Joseph Botwinick

Joseph says Jesus is a murder!

I am not justifying anything Calvin did when it comes to murder. I am correcting your theological error that Jesus never killed anyone in his righteous judgment. There is a difference, BTW, between what Calvin and others did in sin and what the sovereign God of the universe did in his righteous judgment.

Joseph Botwinick
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[Joseph_Botwinick]

Joseph says Jesus is a murder!

That is an out and out lie along the lines of what I have come to expect from a desperate heretic who cannot defend his own position. You are a liar.

Joseph Botwinick

 

[Brother Bob]

Originally Posted by Brother Bob
Never, but Joseph;
You made a bad mistake comparing John Calvin with God. Just admit it and let it go man.

I quoted more of that statement than I meant to. I was not comparing Calvin with God, but correcting your theological error that you never saw Jesus going around killing anyone.

Joseph Botwinick Joseph says Jesus is a murder!

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I am not justifying anything Calvin did when it comes to murder. I am correcting your theological error that Jesus never killed anyone in his righteous judgment. There is a difference, BTW, between what Calvin and others did in sin and what the sovereign God of the universe did in his righteous judgment.

Joseph Botwinick
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You gave me the approval to post it.


Originally Posted by Brother Bob
You don't mind if I quote you do you Joseph and James. Especially you Joe.:tear: :tear:

No problem. I am not ashamed of the truth.

Joseph Botwinick
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I never lie, just read his posts above.

 

[J.D.]

Is this fun or what?!!

 

[Joseph_Botwinick]

I never lie, just read his posts above.

What Calvin and others did was murder and sin.

What God did was righteous judgment from the sovereign God of the universe.

Do you believe God was a murderer?

Joseph Botwinick