Opinion: A Christian and a conservative

[Harold Garvey]

If you think you're saved because "America is a Christian nation" I'd suggest a rethinking of your philosophy.

Are you carrying on a conversation with some one else?

America is NOT even a Christian nation anymore.

My "philosophy is straight Bible, friend, and if you care to examine my beliefs start asking without all the assumptions, ok?

 

[Revmitchell]

Individuals don't go to hell because of the type of country they live in. They go to hell because they reject Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior. This is exactly the kind of thinking that I think the "America is a Christian nation" advocates tend to support and also exactly why I think they have been so destructive to Christ's church.

What you think on this is further absurd and unfounded. No one thinks that and it is simply a smear on those you disagree with.

 

[Crabtownboy]

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What you think on this is further absurd and unfounded. No one thinks that and it is simply a smear on those you disagree with.

Hmmm, more personal attacks I see.

Why was his message absurd and unfounded. Why not explain your position or belief in a rational way instead of simply making personal attacks?

Why will people go to hell in your opinion?

 

[gb93433]

You must be on another wavelength here.

God's work is not limited to whether or not we have Bibles in schools. Some of the most committed Christians I have met come from areas of the world where it was illegal to evangelize and being a Christian can involve a high price.

 

[gb93433]

What you think on this is further absurd and unfounded. No one thinks that and it is simply a smear on those you disagree with.

So you do not think that what he wrote is correct? "They go to hell because they reject Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior."

Sounds like you must believe in universal salvation if you disagree.

 

[Crabtownboy]

God's work is not limited to whether or not we have Bibles in schools. Some of the most committed Christians I have met come from areas of the world where it was illegal to evangelize and being a Christian can involve a high price.

You have that right! Also, my experience has been that many Americans have a very hard time separating Christianity with their regional American culture. The two are not the same.

Most Americans have no concept of what persucation is nor have they experienced persecution. I have not. But I have friends from Central and Eastern Europe, China, and also the Mid-East who have and have told me about their or the persecution their relatives have suffered.

 

[gb93433]

Also, my experience has been that many Americans have a very hard time separating Christianity with their regional American culture. The two are not the same.

I do not find that Christians in areas of America find that difficult when they are under scrutiny and it is not a favorable cultural thing to be a Christian.

 

[alatide]

Are you carrying on a conversation with some one else?

America is NOT even a Christian nation anymore.

My "philosophy is straight Bible, friend, and if you care to examine my beliefs start asking without all the assumptions, ok?

You're WAY, WAY out there. Get into reality.

 

[alatide]

What you think on this is further absurd and unfounded. No one thinks that and it is simply a smear on those you disagree with.

Then why is so much emphasis placed on putting the Ten Commandments in court rooms, having prayer in the (government) schools, and having manger scenes on government property? If you agree that these are unimportant compared to sharing the gospel we are in agreement.

 

[Andy T.]

I've got $10 that "alatide" is JustChristian back for a third time. If I'm right, can you say, "Loser."

 

[Revmitchell]

Then why is so much emphasis placed on putting the Ten Commandments in court rooms, having prayer in the (government) schools, and having manger scenes on government property? If you agree that these are unimportant compared to sharing the gospel we are in agreement.

Making that comparison does not lead to either being unimportant. Dealing with the core issue here is the only basis on which to have a conversation. That core issue is do we want our government making decisions based on scriptural precepts. Libbies say no we want to live a dual Christian/secular life. Conservatives say yes for that is what this country was founded on. Not able to deal with that you characterize our view in consistent hyperbolic ways because dealing with the core issue does not make your case. Now you can go on spouting your strawman but it only speaks to the weakness of your position.

 

[Harold Garvey]

God's work is not limited to whether or not we have Bibles in schools. Some of the most committed Christians I have met come from areas of the world where it was illegal to evangelize and being a Christian can involve a high price.

And you think society as a whole has improved since then?:sleep:

Next thing we'll see you saying God chose some to go to hell even though they tried as hard as they could to beg God for forgiveness.

 

[Harold Garvey]

Then why is so much emphasis placed on putting the Ten Commandments in court rooms, having prayer in the (government) schools, and having manger scenes on government property? If you agree that these are unimportant compared to sharing the gospel we are in agreement.

Can you show where any of the above is NOT part of the Gospel?

The Bible clearly states the Law is our schoolmaster to bring us to Christ.

Hmmm, law, schoolmaster, Christ, bible not allowed, in school, ten Commandments removed from the courtroom and public view, separation of church and state,etc. are not synomous now are they?

 

[Harold Garvey]

I've got $10 that "alatide" is JustChristian back for a third time. If I'm right, can you say, "Loser."

If he is then he should be "BANNED!"

 

[Revmitchell]

I've got $10 that "alatide" is JustChristian back for a third time. If I'm right, can you say, "Loser."

Intesting......................

 

[gb93433]

And you think society as a whole has improved since then?

In parts of the world where the Christians are real, yes. In parts of America where Christianity is a cultural religion, no.

Next thing we'll see you saying God chose some to go to hell even though they tried as hard as they could to beg God for forgiveness.

Could you explain?

A close friend of mine was a missionary for about 25 years in a now former communist country and things got worse and then better. Today the Christians in that country have more freedom than those in America. He told me near the end of his time there that if he came into town and wanted to talk about Christ they shut down the school and had an assembly to let him talk and give out the gospel. About 25 years ago the Christians were executed in that same location. Explain that one?

 

[alatide]

Making that comparison does not lead to either being unimportant. Dealing with the core issue here is the only basis on which to have a conversation. That core issue is do we want our government making decisions based on scriptural precepts. Libbies say no we want to live a dual Christian/secular life. Conservatives say yes for that is what this country was founded on. Not able to deal with that you characterize our view in consistent hyperbolic ways because dealing with the core issue does not make your case. Now you can go on spouting your strawman but it only speaks to the weakness of your position.

I don't know who libbies are but I agree that it is best for us to have Christian leadership like President Carter. I'm simply saying that forcing children to repeat a prayer in a school room will never lead them to a saving relationship with Jesus Christ. In fact, I think it might cause them to hate a sect which does that.

 

[Tom Bryant]

I don't know who libbies are but I agree that it is best for us to have Christian leadership like President Carter. I'm simply saying that forcing children to repeat a prayer in a school room will never lead them to a saving relationship with Jesus Christ. In fact, I think it might cause them to hate a sect which does that.

You act as if anyone has ever said that saying a prayer in school will lead them to Jesus. No one has. An argument can be made for and against school prayer but no one ever said that it will lead them to a saving relationnship with Jesus.

The idea that Jimmy Carter as a Christian leader is plain silliness. He stands with the terrorist Hamas against the only democratically elected leadership in the Mid East. He just recently said that to believe that only men are called into the position Senior Pastor was akin to his friends in islamofascist countires like Saudi Arabia and Iran. He may be your kind of Christian but he is certainly not a Biblical kind of Christian.

 

[alatide]

You act as if anyone has ever said that saying a prayer in school will lead them to Jesus. No one has. An argument can be made for and against school prayer but no one ever said that it will lead them to a saving relationnship with Jesus.

The idea that Jimmy Carter as a Christian leader is plain silliness. He stands with the terrorist Hamas against the only democratically elected leadership in the Mid East. He just recently said that to believe that only men are called into the position Senior Pastor was akin to his friends in islamofascist countires like Saudi Arabia and Iran. He may be your kind of Christian but he is certainly not a Biblical kind of Christian.

You need to deal with your political based biases. President Carter was the first President ever to publicly call himself a born again Christian.

 

[sag38]

Jimmy Carter was a pathetic president and unfortunately he is even more pathetic now.