Ordination service

[Iconoclast]

Winman

Iconoclast's evidence is not the word of God, but writers who hold similar beliefs to his. Anyone who disagrees is a heretic. He considers this some sort of proof that his view is correct.

The reason you cannot recognize the verses offered as proof...is they are scriptures used in context.....you are not quick to understand verses properly explained like that:thumbs:
I do use godly teachers as they are gifts to the church.....they do not say that Jesus emptied Himself of His deity.....as you have posted several times...at least QF likes what you posted:thumbs:

 

[Winman]

Winman

The reason you cannot recognize the verses offered as proof...is they are scriptures used in context.....you are not quick to understand verses properly explained like that:thumbs:
I do use godly teachers as they are gifts to the church.....they do not say that Jesus emptied Himself of His deity.....as you have posted several times...at least QF likes what you posted:thumbs:

Well, they used to say a wasted mind is a terrible thing, but maybe not...

 

[quantumfaith]

That's right Winman, be careful not to associate too closely with me. You might get a poor reputation in the eyes of Icon.

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

I am constantly amazed at how he manages to get away with masking posts that essentially call certain people an idiot while using a smiley face or a "thumbs up.

Icon, does it occur to you that's hardly Christlike?

 

[Winman]

That's right Winman, be careful not to associate too closely with me. You might get a poor reputation in the eyes of Icon.

What? I am the black sheep, not you. You will get a poor reputation for associating with me.

Associating with you makes a person look smart. :thumbs:

I am constantly amazed at how he manages to get away with masking posts that essentially call certain people an idiot while using a smiley face or a "thumbs up.

No, he doesn't imply you are stupid, he implies you are LOST. That is his game. Anyone who disagrees with Icon is lost and going to hell.

His favorite smiley is the one waving goodbye. That is him implying that you are dropping into hell.

He's very simple to understand.

 

[evangelist6589]

You need to do that more, put down all those books written by men that are keeping you confused, and just read your Bible, and ask God to help you understand it.

Maybe you need to start reading it more.

Eph 4:11-15 (NIV)
11 So Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers, 12 to equip his people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up 13 until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ.
14 Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of people in their deceitful scheming. 15 Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will grow to become in every respect the mature body of him who is the head, that is, Christ.

I seriously have to wonder why you even go to church since you do not like the books and messages of men.

 

[evangelist6589]

I am constantly amazed at how he manages to get away with masking posts that essentially call certain people an idiot while using a smiley face or a "thumbs up.

Icon, does it occur to you that's hardly Christlike?

Icon makes people feel stupid and is somewhat arrogant. He also appears to lack humility. However Icon is right on this theology as that being his only merit. I would rather have someone arrogant like Icon and teaching the right gospel, verses someone teaching false doctrine (semi-Pelagainism) like WinMan and smiling all the way.

 

[evangelist6589]

What? I am the black sheep, not you. You will get a poor reputation for associating with me.

Associating with you makes a person look smart. :thumbs:



No, he doesn't imply you are stupid, he implies you are LOST. That is his game. Anyone who disagrees with Icon is lost and going to hell.

His favorite smiley is the one waving goodbye. That is him implying that you are dropping into hell.

He's very simple to understand.

It is unwise for Icon to say that Quantum and WinMan are headed to hell as I see no evidence of that, and although they both have false doctrine they would appear to hold to the essentials of the faith and are brothers. I disagree with them in several areas, but they are not heretics.

 

[Winman]

Maybe you need to start reading it more.

Eph 4:11-15 (NIV)
11 So Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers, 12 to equip his people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up 13 until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ.
14 Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of people in their deceitful scheming. 15 Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will grow to become in every respect the mature body of him who is the head, that is, Christ.

I seriously have to wonder why you even go to church since you do not like the books and messages of men.

Dude, I'm a Baptist, Baptists are called "the people of the Book". Do you know what book that is? It's not some new book by John MacArthur or Paul Washer, that was speaking of the Bible.

Baptists are famous for believing the Bible, not books written by men.

http://www.baptiststart.com/print/people_book.html

 

[Winman]

It is unwise for Icon to say that Quantum and WinMan are headed to hell as I see no evidence of that, and although they both have false doctrine they would appear to hold to the essentials of the faith and are brothers. I disagree with them in several areas, but they are not heretics.

What would you think of doctrine that worships man more than Jesus? Would you follow a doctrine like that?

Would you follow a doctrine that makes MAN primary and Jesus secondary?

 

[Iconoclast]

thisnumbersdisconnected

Hello Dconn.....let me address some of your concerns here along with evan...

I am constantly amazed at

Let me ask you Dconn...Winman has posted that Jesus emptied Himself of His Deity.......that does not amaze you??? You or QF...do not comment on that at all.......I find that quite startling.

I am constantly amazed at how he manages to get away with masking posts that essentially call certain people an idiot

Dconn...you will notice that I have not called anyone an idiot,or stupid have I.

That is your perception based on the posts. Again if you take an objective look you might notice that I respond to what is offered. When Winman posts that I am a parrot, who just repeats things, or questions my salvation....I just understand that he is frustrated because basically every cal corrects his novelties and errors....everyday.
He is quite proud of this however. I do not see your feigned amazement when his posts are anti-cal with disparaging remarks at the end of each one...why is that???

while using a smiley face or a "thumbs up.

When I use the little smileys it is interesting that somehow they take on a different meaning when I use them, then when others use them.:wavey:

Icon, does it occur to you that's hardly Christlike?

Well Dconn let me say this. I do not find that when being attacked or in a confrontational situation with someone or persons showing themselves to be adversarial that it is always wise to avoid the issue...sometimes yes, sometimes no....


4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.

5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.

the truth and way to respond is found in between these two verses...I might not always get it right.
You are out spoken and have your own issues Dconn. We clash doctrinally for sure. In fact...we might not even like each other at this point.
However...that being said quite directly....you profess to be a brother in Christ. So even if you are not going to invite me over for a cup of coffee anytime soon....I still have to deal with you not for who you are right now, but for who the Lord is transforming you into moving forward.
I have no choice as it is commanded in scripture so I am mindful of that.
Open rebuke is better than secret love....you being a critic of mine I think is sort of meant well, or at least you are trying to correct what you perceive is the error of my ways...

I have issues for sure and I have a fan club.....you, winman, Benjamin, inspector Javeat,and a few others.
Yes I speak direct and weed through the nonsense that others see as well so from time to time I expect some....return fire...so to speak. It is a debate board.
Perhaps you will take note...if a person wants sincere help, I try to help.
If they have a sincere question I respond in kind.
When a person attacks the person and work of Christ or cals in general..I will also respond to that attack. It is not complicated is it?

 

[Iconoclast]

evangelist6589

Hello EV
I will now address your posting and concerns

Icon makes people feel stupid and is somewhat arrogant.

You have posted this several times. You are entitled to your opinion and others have expressed this from time to time. When someone speaks directly and offers a confident opinion they are open to this charge.
I am sure that there are times when I could be considered arrogant and if I am that is sinful conduct that does need to be corrected.

There are other times when what I say hits a nerve and people who get affected do not like it...so this is the defense they offer.

Before I continue let me say that I am glad you are working through issues and growing even when some of that growth comes with growing pains.

I have addressed your posts occasionally but mostly I avoid comment because what I would like to say to you by way of comment would be better said face to face, or by phone.

I am glad that you are studying yourself into truth, but frankly sometimes what you post and how you go about it I find troubling and even to a point that I am not sure you are being sincere...or just wrestling with issues opely that might be better being done in a behind the scenes fashion.

Allow me to illustrate by making up a false thread that you "might " start to illustrate what I mean;

posted by evan-

well friends I had a chance to speak to some roman catholics today, and told them that the pope is the antichrist and the church teaches doctrines of devils...but they did not seem to like what I said...I am not sure why,

then I went into the free will Baptist church and objected to there teaching on free will and noticed they did not seem to like AWPINK at all, and so I began to quote Jmacs study notes to them...but they were not happy

my pastor does not like wotm but I forced into the bible study anyway,etc

others have commented on it but you look past it...

He also appears to lack humility.

Listen ev.....I am just one person and no one special except to God. He has set his eternal love upon me for His purpose.
I would much rather "appear" to "lack humility" and speak openly, and quite directly.....than to post with a false humility which is really pride masquerading as a religious covering for sin.

However Icon is right on this theology as that being his only merit.

It is more about being faithful than right. I am glad you found one thing that you can benefit from:thumbs:

Later in the week when I get my truck unloaded I have a phone that I can set up to my computer and I will see if I can speak with any of you to address these issues.I speak much faster than I type:wavey:

 

[Iconoclast]

Winman

What? I am the black sheep, not you. You will get a poor reputation for associating with me

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Qf just hides it more...you openly own your error and speak direct.

No, he doesn't imply you are stupid, he implies you are LOST. That is his game. Anyone who disagrees with Icon is lost and going to hell.

Winman... I stay within the BB rules. If scripture offers a caution and I post it
and the shoe fits wear it. If you offer verses about how a thief who does not repent will perish... I do not get offended because I am not stealing.

His favorite smiley is the one waving goodbye. That is him implying that you are dropping into hell.

Well that is news to me:wavey: So along with your unbiblical novelties you are now the "smiley whisperer"...you uncover hidden meanings behind the smileys,,,lol that's rich:laugh:

He's very simple to understand.

Glad you think so my friend.

 

[evangelist6589]

evangelist6589

Hello EV
I will now address your posting and concerns



You have posted this several times. You are entitled to your opinion and others have expressed this from time to time. When someone speaks directly and offers a confident opinion they are open to this charge.
I am sure that there are times when I could be considered arrogant and if I am that is sinful conduct that does need to be corrected.

There are other times when what I say hits a nerve and people who get affected do not like it...so this is the defense they offer.

Before I continue let me say that I am glad you are working through issues and growing even when some of that growth comes with growing pains.

I have addressed your posts occasionally but mostly I avoid comment because what I would like to say to you by way of comment would be better said face to face, or by phone.

I am glad that you are studying yourself into truth, but frankly sometimes what you post and how you go about it I find troubling and even to a point that I am not sure you are being sincere...or just wrestling with issues opely that might be better being done in a behind the scenes fashion.

Allow me to illustrate by making up a false thread that you "might " start to illustrate what I mean;

posted by evan-

well friends I had a chance to speak to some roman catholics today, and told them that the pope is the antichrist and the church teaches doctrines of devils...but they did not seem to like what I said...I am not sure why,

then I went into the free will Baptist church and objected to there teaching on free will and noticed they did not seem to like AWPINK at all, and so I began to quote Jmacs study notes to them...but they were not happy

my pastor does not like wotm but I forced into the bible study anyway,etc

others have commented on it but you look past it...


Listen ev.....I am just one person and no one special except to God. He has set his eternal love upon me for His purpose.
I would much rather "appear" to "lack humility" and speak openly, and quite directly.....than to post with a false humility which is really pride masquerading as a religious covering for sin.



It is more about being faithful than right. I am glad you found one thing that you can benefit from:thumbs:

Later in the week when I get my truck unloaded I have a phone that I can set up to my computer and I will see if I can speak with any of you to address these issues.I speak much faster than I type:wavey:

No the Pope is not the anti-christ and I would never say such a thing! I also would not walk into a Free-Will Church and force AW Pink nor Mac, nor Washer on them. I am not stupid. I will challenge these churches from FB, email, or in person, but I am not going to walk into their church and declare war. Thats foolish!!!!

You wanna chat? Do you have AOL Instant Messenger, Yahoo Chat, or Google Chat? Sorry no FB with strangers, but those chat services work fine for me. No phone but I will do audio chat over one of those chat services.

 

[Winman]

Winman

Qf just hides it more...you openly own your error and speak direct.

He's just quiet, I am not.

Winman... I stay within the BB rules. If scripture offers a caution and I post it
and the shoe fits wear it. If you offer verses about how a thief who does not repent will perish... I do not get offended because I am not stealing.

No you don't, your favorite debate tactic is to imply that anyone who disagrees with you is lost. You have done it from day one.

I can see you and your truck coming from ten miles away.

Well that is news to me:wavey: So along with your unbiblical novelties you are now the "smiley whisperer"...you uncover hidden meanings behind the smileys,,,lol that's rich:laugh:

Looks that way, doesn't it.

Glad you think so my friend.

I don't think so, I know so. You can't debate, you don't have the skill, so you imply your opponents are lost.

 

[quantumfaith]

Winman


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Qf just hides it more...you openly own your error and speak direct.




Winman... I stay within the BB rules. If scripture offers a caution and I post it
and the shoe fits wear it. If you offer verses about how a thief who does not repent will perish... I do not get offended because I am not stealing.



Well that is news to me:wavey: So along with your unbiblical novelties you are now the "smiley whisperer"...you uncover hidden meanings behind the smileys,,,lol that's rich:laugh:



Glad you think so my friend.

No Icon, the truth is I just don't like to fight as much. Also I REALLY don't relish the opportunity to tell someone how wrong I think they are like you do. That is the simple reality.

 

[Iconoclast]

Winman
when I disagree with Biblicist or Kyred Dhk or others....we state where we differ and move on.
You always attack at the end of your posts....so it seems double minded on your part.

 

[Iconoclast]

No Icon, the truth is I just don't like to fight as much. Also I REALLY don't relish the opportunity to tell someone how wrong I think they are like you do. That is the simple reality.

well QF that might be part of the story as you spend hours in the teachers lounge you have a certain way of going about things I spend time at the truck stop and this is definitely going about things differently.the fact that you do not comment on some of the posts to offer correctionbbut sometime give your little thumbs up sign encourages the person who's in there so it's not so much that some of us relish correcting the people but we feel it's an obligation specially in a debate site to do that.
When several take it upon themselves to post against truth....you would have us remain silent then?
Why did you not comment when Winman said Jesus emptied Himself of His divine attributes?

 

[Winman]

well QF that might be part of the story as you spend hours in the teachers lounge you have a certain way of going about things I spend time at the truck stop and this is definitely going about things differently.the fact that you do not comment on some of the posts to offer correctionbbut sometime give your little thumbs up sign encourages the person who's in there so it's not so much that some of us relish correcting the people but we feel it's an obligation specially in a debate site to do that.
When several take it upon themselves to post against truth....you would have us remain silent then?
Why did you not comment when Winman said Jesus emptied Himself of His divine attributes?

See, here is Icon implying one is lost. They post "against truth". See, if you don't agree with him, you are the enemy of God, you are the enemy of truth. You are of that evil one, the devil. :thumbsup:

He doesn't say you are mistaken, he says you are "against" truth. He is saying you are lost.

Icon thinks he is the only one who knows truth. :laugh:

Icon needs to learn that what he calls "truth" is his personal view or opinion. At times it might be truth, at other times his view is total error. He PRESUMES he is always right.

 

[evangelist6589]

See, here is Icon implying one is lost. They post "against truth". See, if you don't agree with him, you are the enemy of God, you are the enemy of truth. You are of that evil one, the devil. :thumbsup:

He doesn't say you are mistaken, he says you are "against" truth. He is saying you are lost.

Icon thinks he is the only one who knows truth. :laugh:

Icon needs to learn that what he calls "truth" is his personal view or opinion. At times it might be truth, at other times his view is total error. He PRESUMES he is always right.

I did not appreciate what he claims I would say.

Icon

posted by evan-

well friends I had a chance to speak to some roman catholics today, and told them that the pope is the antichrist and the church teaches doctrines of devils...but they did not seem to like what I said...I am not sure why,

then I went into the free will Baptist church and objected to there teaching on free will and noticed they did not seem to like AWPINK at all, and so I began to quote Jmacs study notes to them...but they were not happy

my pastor does not like wotm but I forced into the bible study anyway,etc

I would not claim as such to a Catholic as no one knows the anti-christ! I also would not walk into a Free-Will church and start combat thats foolish!