OSAS? (An example)

Why do you ask me the hard questions????

I would answer No, not in total depravity, but still inclined toward depravity's pleasures.

Bro. Dallas, the hardshaller flower child



Resting in JESUS

 

Yelsew,

Why do you think Christ died once only?

Bro. Dallas

 

Why do you ask me the hard questions????

I would answer No, not in total depravity, but still inclined toward depravity's pleasures.

I ask you the hard questions because I like you ... Interesting answer... Here's another one to slap on to it... If we are not Totally Depraved then why does the fleshly man die?... We know the Spirit that is born of God NEVER dies but that Spirit not born of God is still Totally Depraved!... Brother Glen

 

I would say that prior to been regenerated we are Totally Depraved in that we are depraved in body, soul and spirit. Once we are quickened we possess the indwelling of the Holy Spirit and are then still depraved in the flesh, yet our spirit's condition has changed as a result of the presence of the Holy Spirit. So then I would maintain we are not now totally depraved. Although I do concede there are strong tendencies remaining that we follow the lusts of the flesh. The difference is now, as believers at least, we have knowledge of the truth and should strive to add to our faith, virtue, knowledge, etc.

Though at the same time I can see the point of your question and it is a very good one. The flesh is dead because of sin, it is the spirit of man that is eternal and it is the spirit which is quickened the flesh profits nothing.

Bro. Dallas

 

Explain two terminologies... Are Born Again and Quickened the same thing?... Brother Glen

 

Is this for me?

I would say that these are the same things. But in saying that I can see a possible difference among them.

That difference is that Jesus said 'except a man be born again' he cannot see the kingdom of God. Specifically: John 3
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

'born again' is "from above" so this is why I make that phrase the same as quickened.

I believe it to be more correct.

Now further discussion may lead us to attempt to decide what is the kingdom of God; This definition may lead some to believe that quickening is a knowledge of eternal life by Grace while being born again is realizing they are not in obedience to God therefore out of fellowship.

Yet, IMHO, I think the Greek supports that these two are the same ideas.

Bro. Dallas

 

Judgment is the pronouncement of eternal condtions.

Judgment is not ours to speculate upon because there is only one who judges righteously.

Bro. Dallas

 

Yelsew, this is a response to your post at the top of page 3.

First of all Jesus did not die in sin. He did not commit sin and could not have committed sin had he lived in this world until the last day.

Second of all Romans 8 teaches clearly that Christ died not only for the elect, but also for the creation, that they too shall be delivered from this present sinful world.

Were no human elected, this would be enough reason for Christ to have fulfilled his covenant of works with the Father.

Bro. Dallas

 

That is an opinion Yelsew not a fact. What we are dealing with is not an intellectual ability to believe in Jesus, but that which is spiritually discerned, carnal man has not spiritual discernment.

Bro. Dallas

 

I do not doubt that you are saved Yelsew. No other would spend so much time in study and discussion. But I am not in a position to know your heart, nor you mine. I receive your testimony as an equal to my own. That is that God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into you and therefore your spirit cries out Abba. But this occurs for no other reason than that the Father has initiated it. Having initiated it then it is He who keeps it and not you nor I. This is permeated throughout the scripture.

God Bless Brother.

Bro. Dallas

 

Then I guess it is by the basis of my discernment also by the Holy Spirit, so then we have succinctly proclaimed God the author of Confusion.

Brother, you have to know that perfect love knows no fear, perfect love is accomplished through Christ alone and is a peace such that the believer knows he/she is wholly reconciled to God. If there remains a fear of being able to fall away unto condemnation, then what you have is less than perfect love and very little peace.

What you are attempting is an intellectual approach to things discerned by the Spirit. This is possible to those who are quickened but not to those yet lost.

Does any of that remotely answer your question? All I see in your question is a claim of spiritual discernment by scripture, yet I never see any scripture from you that disproves total depravity, proves the ability of any one of the elect to be lost again, nor that man is able to choose Christ prior to being quickened by the Holy Spirit.

I am not attempting to change you. You will continue to believe what you wish and that is fine with me. I just want you to know the rest of Christ has no place in it for fearing being without Christ in eternity.

God Bless
Bro. Dallas

 

My interpretation of scriptures is not that you can lose your faith but you will suffer if you do not adhere to it... Many in the scriptures shipwrecked their faith but they are still eternally saved... What you are implying Yelsew is what YOU DR DO NOT DO... SAVES YOU!... If that is the case why did Jesus Christ come?... To give you a chance at SALVATION... To give you a choice?... Sorry GRACE and choice or chance or decision don't match... NEVER the twain shall meet!... They are two separate points parallel into infinity and NEVER shall join... NEVER shall meet... My FAITH IS JESUS CHRIST... ALL OF IT!... Without it I have nothing... SOVEREIGN GRACE is ALL there is in the ETERNAL SALVATION domain... You can't buy it!... You can't purchase it because it is FREE!... There is nothing you or I or anyone else can do to have it... IT IS A GIFT!... Given to God's children through the sacrifice of Christ and is bought with his sinless blood.

Fellowship with Jesus Christ and the Father as you live in the world is dependent upon your walk!... YOU SUFFER HERE!... You will NEVER suffer hereafter because you belong to Jesus Christ and he payed for ALL your sins and ALL the sins of ALL his children... There are no sins held against you as Jesus Christ stood where you could not and payed the price you could not because your blood is polluted and you are from the loins of Adam!... Question... Will Jesus Christ SAVE ALL the Father gave him?... If not why not when the Bible explicitly states none will be eternally lost in HELL!... Brother Glen

 

In order for the "SAVE ALL the Father gave him" statement to mean anything, one must first have the knowledge of who those people are.

That paticular statement is irrelevant to the question of eternal security.