OSAS does not survive the "Sola Scriptura test" in Matthew 18..etc

[loDebar]

BobRyan answered this in post#2

Allow me to add:

Forgiveness of sin and salvation to me as an individual are not the same.
All SIN (total, capital letters, past and future) is forgiven.

Salvation is accepting.
1. I need salvation
2 I cannot save myself
3. Only Jesus can
4 Exercising Faith (supplied by God) that Jesus is sufficient, willing and able to save me

Forgiveness is a blanket pardon, Salvation is accepting that pardon.

 

[Yeshua1]

Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit

Done only by lost sinners, see the Pharisees!

 

[delizzle]

There is a mingling of concepts here that in my view does more to confuse someone reading this than to help them.

For example, they refer to one "not entering the Kingdom," when we have to take into consideration that the only Kingdom truly understood to those Christ taught was the promised Restored Kingdom, which would have a son of David as it's King. Christ taught that except a man be born again he cannot enter the Kingdom, and this is true in regards to the Millennial Kingdom, because all unbelievers are destroyed in the Sheep and Goat judgment of Matthew 25.

I agree the warning is against wilful distortion, but, again, I would suggest that the invitation must be carefully considered in the statement. Just as with all of the L.O.S.T. (loss of salvation teachings), who is being spoken to is very important. 2 Peter 2 is often used as a L.O.S.T. but the very first verse shows in view is the New Testament equivalent to the Old Testament false prophet, to whom no one in their right mind would ascribe relationship with God.

The best I can say for this is at least they designate a general audience without inference of salvation.

And I would also ask that you give your understanding, rather than quote others. What is important is not what you can read, delizzle, but what you actually understand from the Word of God. God will teach you better than commentaries will.




The primary issue I would take is that they do not...explain what it means to be perfect.

That is the primary thrust of the statement.

They also impose into the text that which is not there, because there is nothing in Hebrews 10 dealing with Regeneration.

Third, they limit "sanctification" to "being made holy" when it also connotes being separated unto Someone or something. Most people think "being made holy" means one is made righteous, and depending on their understanding of righteousness they may go so far as to view that righteousness as something they produce.

They do good to point out that Scripture teaches both Progressive Sanctification as well as Positional, yet they confuse the context and imply that Progressive Sanctification is in view here. It is not.

That is why I said you should back up to v.1 and read from there at least. I still want you to do that, delizzle, because I think you can, if you simply read the passage, understand what he means when he says "For by one offering He hath made perfect them that are sanctified."

Best to look at the Greek on the key words, but, even if one does not, the context still makes it clear what it means to be made perfect forever, which, as I said, is the clearest statement of Eternal Security you will find in Scripture.




Losing salvation is not possible, my friend.

In every proof text you have you are going to be seen as making those clearly identified as unbelievers (as we see in Revelation 22, because they are invited to partake of the water of life, meaning they do not have it). I have shown you that in regards to Hebrews 10:26 and Hebrews 6. Whether you accept that or not is up to you, but, you are going to have to show why the points raised are unreasonable.

There are only two types of people in the world, those separated from God, and those in relationship with Him through His eternal Indwelling. Those who are lost, and those who are saved. Those who are spiritual, and those who are natural.

Now, just do me the favor of reading Hebrews 10:1-14, and I want you to read it apart from commentaries, because while commentaries can be helpful, they can, and usually do, impose a bias into the Student. It might be likened to me stopping by your house when you aren't home, and seeing your phone laying out in the yard, and I run into you and tell you about it. You go home, and you look in the spot I said it was, and you overlook the fact that your PC is ten yards away as well. But you weren't looking for the PC, just what I told you should look for.

The context of Hebrews 10 is really very simple, but, you have to familiarize yourself with it to understand it. Once you do, you will see several irrefutable statements of Eternal Security, rather than the L.O.S.T. (loss of salvation teachings) because they are yanked out of the context.

Here is another:


Hebrews 10:15-18
King James Version (KJV)

15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,

16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.


Remission of sins in completion is what God promised Israel in regards to the promise of the New Covenant. The writer makes the same statement here (there is no more offering for sin) that he makes in v.26, but...the context is different. And what this means is that when we have been inducted into New Covenant relationship and have received those promises, there is no need for further sacrifice, because as Hebrews 10:10 and 14 state, we are "sanctified by the Blood of Christ once, and by that One Offering we have been made perfect forever."

So read Hebrews 10:1-14, I am confident God will show what this means, and why you can trust Christ explicitly.

And I am about out of time, so if I don't get to any more today I will get to it at the next appointed time.


God bless.

Thank you for your time and thoughtful input. I appreciate it. When you have a chance, I would like to here your thoughts on the other half of the chapter, particularly these passages:

If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. So do not throw away your confidence; it will be richly rewarded. You need to persevere so that when you have done the will of God, you will receive what he has promised. And, “But my righteous one will live by faith. And I take no pleasure in the one who shrinks back.” But we do not belong to those who shrink back and are destroyed, but to those who have faith and are saved.
Hebrews 10:26‭-‬27‭, ‬35‭-‬36‭, ‬38‭-‬39 NIV

 

[Yeshua1]

Thank you for your time and thoughtful input. I appreciate it. When you have a chance, I would like to here your thoughts on the other half of the chapter, particularly these passages:

If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. So do not throw away your confidence; it will be richly rewarded. You need to persevere so that when you have done the will of God, you will receive what he has promised. And, “But my righteous one will live by faith. And I take no pleasure in the one who shrinks back.” But we do not belong to those who shrink back and are destroyed, but to those who have faith and are saved.
Hebrews 10:26‭-‬27‭, ‬35‭-‬36‭, ‬38‭-‬39 NIV

That passage is describing the professors amonge Jews who said Jesus was messiah, but ran back to OT sacrifices and worship ewhen troubles hit, so showed were not really saved!

 

[loDebar]

Hebrew 6 is not talking about turning away by professors, despite commentaries, nor deliberately sinning and loosing salvation. It presents that there is no need to review Salvation again, speaking to Christian Hebrews, because one cannot crucify Christ afresh ever time they sin. The writer wanted to discuss maturity as a Christian

 

[Darrell C]

Thank you for your time and thoughtful input. I appreciate it. When you have a chance, I would like to here your thoughts on the other half of the chapter, particularly these passages:

If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. So do not throw away your confidence; it will be richly rewarded. You need to persevere so that when you have done the will of God, you will receive what he has promised. And, “But my righteous one will live by faith. And I take no pleasure in the one who shrinks back.” But we do not belong to those who shrink back and are destroyed, but to those who have faith and are saved.
Hebrews 10:26‭-‬27‭, ‬35‭-‬36‭, ‬38‭-‬39 NIV

Only have a few minutes so I will give you something to consider in regards to this chapter, which I did in an earlier post (POST 17, Page One):


Hebrews 10:26-29
King James Version (KJV)

26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?


The reason there remains "no more sacrifice for sins" is pretty simple, if you are not indoctrinated into false doctrine...

...because they are rejecting the only thing that can save them.

In view are Hebrews, not Christians, and if you look at the text you will see that this is not contrasting good Christian/bad Christian...it is contrasting from among the Hebrew people those who rejected Moses' Law (the Covenant of Law) and those who reject, in order...

1. Jesus Christ, The Son of God;
2. His Sacrifice;
3. His Covenant;
4. The efforts of the Spirit of Grace, the Comforter, Who is the One Who convicts unbelievers of sin, righteousness, and judgment:


As mentioned earlier, most proof texts of the L.O.S.T. (loss of salvation teachers) improperly identify those being warned as regenerate believers. Here, it is a contrast between those who reject the Covenant of Law, and those who reject the New Covenant, which throughout the Book the Writer tries to convince his brethren (Hebrew) they must turn to Christ, rather than remain under Law.

If we continue in the text, which as mentioned before, has to be understood throughout (which I why I exhort you to understand the first half of the Chapter) in light of all that he writes, so we cannot make this contradict what he has already said:


30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.


31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.


Who are the "People" in view? The same people in view in the original statement...Israel. In view is a judgment of God on the Hebrew people based on their response to His Word.



32 But call to remembrance the former days, in which, after ye were illuminated, ye endured a great fight of afflictions;


33 Partly, whilst ye were made a gazingstock both by reproaches and afflictions; and partly, whilst ye became companions of them that were so used.


Again, spoken to Hebrews, and those associated with Christianity. The only thing we can say for sure is that they received illumination, which is what I was speaking of in regards to Hebrews 6:4-6. That is simply how men come to be saved, the Comforter ministers the Gospel to them, shows them the truth of the GOspel and the condition they lie in (lost and destined for Hell), and they respond. The response is not always saving faith. I myself was ministered to for well over a year, but probably closer to two.


34 For ye had compassion of me in my bonds, and took joyfully the spoiling of your goods, knowing in yourselves that ye have in heaven a better and an enduring substance.


35 Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath great recompence of reward.


36 For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.


37 For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry.


38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.


39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.


Verses 38-39 show the warning: do not draw back unto perdition. Same warning is found in Hebrews 6, "Emulate those who have faith."

What he does is distinguish between "drawing back unto perdition," and...believing to the saving of the soul. Only one of the two is actually saved.

But, again, until you understand this...


Hebrews 10:14
King James Version (KJV)

14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.


...and see it for what it is, a clear statement of Eternal Security, you will have doubts about most of what you see in Hebrews, because we often look at our lives and wonder how God could save sinners like us. The fact is, it is because we could do nothing to save ourselves that He came to make Salvation a reality for us.

Again, just do me a favor, and spend some time in the first 14 verses of this chapter. And I almost gave you a hint, lol, but that would defeat the purpose. The statements made are pretty clear, and it is just a matter of keeping the context together.

And sorry, have to get going, so this has been rushed. And I didn't use the NIV, because I am not a fan of the newer one. The 1984 edition is not bad, but the newer one isn't so hot.


God bless.

 

[Yeshua1]

Hebrew 6 is not talking about turning away by professors, despite commentaries, nor deliberately sinning and loosing salvation. It presents that there is no need to review Salvation again, speaking to Christian Hebrews, because one cannot crucify Christ afresh ever time they sin. The writer wanted to discuss maturity as a Christian

His point is that when they turn back in a final turn to Judaism once again, they leave any profession of Christ, and are now showing true roots as being unsaved.

 

[loDebar]

His point is that when they turn back in a final turn to Judaism once again, they leave any profession of Christ, and are now showing true roots as being unsaved.

I totally agree, but this showing the point of understanding then rejection of the Gospel. I do not think it goes as far as professors of the gospel, in this verse.

 

[Yeshua1]

I totally agree, but this showing the point of understanding then rejection of the Gospel. I do not think it goes as far as professors of the gospel, in this verse.

Their turning away from Jesus and salvation shows that they were never part of Him to start.

 

[delizzle]

Only have a few minutes so I will give you something to consider in regards to this chapter, which I did in an earlier post (POST 17, Page One):


Hebrews 10:26-29
King James Version (KJV)

26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?


The reason there remains "no more sacrifice for sins" is pretty simple, if you are not indoctrinated into false doctrine...

...because they are rejecting the only thing that can save them.

In view are Hebrews, not Christians, and if you look at the text you will see that this is not contrasting good Christian/bad Christian...it is contrasting from among the Hebrew people those who rejected Moses' Law (the Covenant of Law) and those who reject, in order...

1. Jesus Christ, The Son of God;
2. His Sacrifice;
3. His Covenant;
4. The efforts of the Spirit of Grace, the Comforter, Who is the One Who convicts unbelievers of sin, righteousness, and judgment:


As mentioned earlier, most proof texts of the L.O.S.T. (loss of salvation teachers) improperly identify those being warned as regenerate believers. Here, it is a contrast between those who reject the Covenant of Law, and those who reject the New Covenant, which throughout the Book the Writer tries to convince his brethren (Hebrew) they must turn to Christ, rather than remain under Law.

If we continue in the text, which as mentioned before, has to be understood throughout (which I why I exhort you to understand the first half of the Chapter) in light of all that he writes, so we cannot make this contradict what he has already said:


30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.


31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.


Who are the "People" in view? The same people in view in the original statement...Israel. In view is a judgment of God on the Hebrew people based on their response to His Word.



32 But call to remembrance the former days, in which, after ye were illuminated, ye endured a great fight of afflictions;


33 Partly, whilst ye were made a gazingstock both by reproaches and afflictions; and partly, whilst ye became companions of them that were so used.


Again, spoken to Hebrews, and those associated with Christianity. The only thing we can say for sure is that they received illumination, which is what I was speaking of in regards to Hebrews 6:4-6. That is simply how men come to be saved, the Comforter ministers the Gospel to them, shows them the truth of the GOspel and the condition they lie in (lost and destined for Hell), and they respond. The response is not always saving faith. I myself was ministered to for well over a year, but probably closer to two.


34 For ye had compassion of me in my bonds, and took joyfully the spoiling of your goods, knowing in yourselves that ye have in heaven a better and an enduring substance.


35 Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath great recompence of reward.


36 For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.


37 For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry.


38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.


39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.


Verses 38-39 show the warning: do not draw back unto perdition. Same warning is found in Hebrews 6, "Emulate those who have faith."

What he does is distinguish between "drawing back unto perdition," and...believing to the saving of the soul. Only one of the two is actually saved.

But, again, until you understand this...


Hebrews 10:14
King James Version (KJV)

14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.


...and see it for what it is, a clear statement of Eternal Security, you will have doubts about most of what you see in Hebrews, because we often look at our lives and wonder how God could save sinners like us. The fact is, it is because we could do nothing to save ourselves that He came to make Salvation a reality for us.

Again, just do me a favor, and spend some time in the first 14 verses of this chapter. And I almost gave you a hint, lol, but that would defeat the purpose. The statements made are pretty clear, and it is just a matter of keeping the context together.

And sorry, have to get going, so this has been rushed. And I didn't use the NIV, because I am not a fan of the newer one. The 1984 edition is not bad, but the newer one isn't so hot.


God bless.

Thank you. I will do some further research.

 

[loDebar]

Their turning away from Jesus and salvation shows that they were never part of Him to start.

yes

 

[loDebar]

All SIN (total, capital letters, past and future) is forgiven

When I said this I should have added how important it is. It means, All sin is paid for even for those who do not accept Him. It makes predestination is error. Instead of Limited Atonement, it is unclaimed atonement. rejected by millions and the Atonement is claimed by millions, It is not God only paid for partial sins.

Being totally accepted by God, the salvation of Jesus is sufficient. It also shows the how useless it is for those working for forgiveness when it is already completely paid , in total. Works add nothing, miss-works cannot detract from the finished work.

 

[David Kent]

• John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
• 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
• 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Everlasting life is everlasting. If you could lose your faith it cannot be everlasting.

 

[BobRyan]

Pastor_Bob said: ↑
The issue that Jesus is presenting is forgiveness, not salvation.

And of course Jesus "could" have concluded with "so each one of you should forgive others because that is my command to you" -- would have fit perfectly with your suggestion that the rest of the details are to be ignored since it is a parable.

Instead of that Jesus appeals to the "very detail" in that parable that the OSAS people would argue 'is the most untrue about it"... "so shall My Father do to each one of you IF ..." hard to skim over that.

Very similar to the Sabbath commandment in Exodus 20 for the theistic evolutionist. Vs 11 appeals to "the very detail that is the most untrue" (in their minds) about the Genesis account and the statement in Genesis 2:1-3.

Pretty sobering thought for someone married to the idea of "sola scriptura" testing of all tradition and doctrine.

Let's look at "the details"

His point is that in view is a temporal context dealing with men forgiving other men, which, if you want to say is a means of salvation, then go right ahead.

I'd like to see that public statement.

God bless.

Your argument is "with the text" --

Did you want to propose a "saved but no longer forgiven" text? Or did you simply want to "Quote you" to make that case that Christians should ignore the teaching of Christ?

Matthew 18 is specifically about forgiveness revoked.

32 Then his master, after he had called him, said to him, ‘You wicked servant! I forgave you all that debt because you begged me. 33 Should you not also have had compassion on your fellow servant, just as I had pity on you?’ 34 And his master was angry, and delivered him to the torturers until he should pay all that was due to him. 35 “So My heavenly Father also will do to you if each of you, from his heart, does not forgive his brother his trespasses.”

 

[BobRyan]

BobRyan said: ↑
Matthew 18 is specifically about forgiveness revoked.

32 Then his master, after he had called him, said to him, ‘You wicked servant! I forgave you all that debt because you begged me. 33 Should you not also have had compassion on your fellow servant, just as I had pity on you?’ 34 And his master was angry, and delivered him to the torturers until he should pay all that was due to him. 35 “So My heavenly Father also will do to you if each of you, from his heart, does not forgive his brother his trespasses.”

Bob, you need to graduate to the New Covenant. You are stuck under the Law and cannot distinguish what is temporal and what is spiritual.

1. You seriously think that New Covenant of Jeremiah 31:31-33 can be used to delete the teaching of Christ in Matthew 18??

2. You think the New Covenant that says "I will write My LAW on their heart and mind" is at war against the LAW of God???

Remission of sins is not based on whether we forgive men or not, it is based on Christ dying to atone for the penalty our sin incurs.

Christ's atonement - provide forgiveness - Christ said that having been forgiven we are under obligation to forgive.

Matthew 18 is specifically about forgiveness revoked.

32 Then his master, after he had called him, said to him, ‘You wicked servant! I forgave you all that debt because you begged me. 33 Should you not also have had compassion on your fellow servant, just as I had pity on you?’ 34 And his master was angry, and delivered him to the torturers until he should pay all that was due to him. 35 “So My heavenly Father also will do to you if each of you, from his heart, does not forgive his brother his trespasses.”

 

[BobRyan]

• John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
• 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
• 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Everlasting life is everlasting. If you could lose your faith it cannot be everlasting.

Fine -- edit the teaching of Christ that we find below - to fit your doctrine. Show us what it would look like.

Matthew 18 is specifically about forgiveness revoked.

32 Then his master, after he had called him, said to him, ‘You wicked servant! I forgave you all that debt because you begged me. 33 Should you not also have had compassion on your fellow servant, just as I had pity on you?’ 34 And his master was angry, and delivered him to the torturers until he should pay all that was due to him. 35 “So My heavenly Father also will do to you if each of you, from his heart, does not forgive his brother his trespasses.”[/QUOTE]

 

[BobRyan]

So far the OSAS argument confines itself to "posters quoting themselves" or arguing that we need to "ignore the teaching of Christ in Matthew 18".

Looks like two failing options.

 

[loDebar]

rather touchy,

You make several mistakes regarding the chapter, We are forgiven, as the servant, why are we not in the same attitude of forgiveness? Why was the servant angry at his debtor? Where was the spirit of forgiveness?

Mat 18:32
Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me:
Mat 18:33
Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee?
Mat 18:34
And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him.
Mat 18:35¶
So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.

As it is obvious, forgiving debts is not salvation, The servant did not have a correct heart to realize what the Master had done for him and only thought of himself. Salvation shows in a different attitude

 

[loDebar]

Theres about 150+ verses against OSAS.

Have fun.

list please.

 

[BobRyan]

You make several mistakes regarding the chapter,

This is exactly the way I have been expecting the serious objection to my argument to begin.

Thanks for doing that. Looking at the details in the chapter to point out any flaw in my statements rather than those who choose to "quote themselves" or else argue that we should ignore details that don't fit OSAS.

We are forgiven, as the servant, why are we not in the same attitude of forgiveness? Why was the servant angry at his debtor? Where was the spirit of forgiveness?

This is exactly the complaint of his Lord. Because the full forgiveness as the starting condition was flawless and is fully experienced by the servant -- the Lord had every expectation that just as the servant was fully forgiven - so he would out of gratitude for that "experience" - forgive others.

The King does not say "I did not actually forgive you your debt... you never actually experienced full forgiveness... but I wanted you to forgive others even as you had NOT experienced forgiveness".

That as we all know - is not even remotely "the detail" that we find in the text.

Mat 18:32
Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me:

True. His Lord does not question his own act in forgiving the servant - but rather insists that his own part is flawless.

Mat 18:33
Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee?

Also true. He refers back to His own complete and flawless act of mercy on the servant. Full ... and complete and says that since the servant actually experienced it.. he should out of gratitude have "done likewise"

Mat 18:34
And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him.

There you have it -- easy for all of us to see... that full and complete forgiveness -- revoked. The servant must now pay his original debt for failing to "act" - failing to forgive others AS he was truly forgiven.

Mat 18:35¶
So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.

Also true - Christ then applies the most "osas denying" aspect of the parable - to the real life of His followers. Clearly indicating that He too considers His followers to have been "fully forgiven".
He insists that they too have fully experienced the full forgiveness of their debt of sin and that they too are under the obligation to forgive others.

As it is obvious, forgiving debts is not salvation,

Until you read the actual New Covenant. Nothing in the text says that we owe God some "other debt" other than the debt of sin - that is so vast we could never repay and survive it... You just leaped off the cliff of merely "assuming the salient point of your own argument" rather than proving it.

That is a bit disappointing after that build up.

The servant did not have a correct heart to realize what the Master had done for him and only thought of himself. Salvation shows in a different attitude

1. There is no such thing as a "Fully forgiven lost person who has experienced full forgiveness of sin YET is going to pay for their sin in hell anyway" -- and we both know it.

2. The Master does not say "you did not think you were forgiven and that is why you did not forgive" - the flaw you are inserting - is flatly contradicted in the "details" of the chapter.

3. After having been fully forgiven -- that servant leaves and then is confronted by a situation where he has a free will choice to make - and chooses to not forgive. It is only in that later exchange that the servant is making that sort of choice. In the initial exchange he freely confesses his guilt, offer to repay the impossible then is freely forgiven and walks away forgiven instead of being sold and tormented. This is not even debated in the actual text.