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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by 1689Dave, Aug 9, 2021.

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  1. SovereignGrace

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    It says Calvin taught limited Atonement. I don't know if Roger Nicole is right. Points 4 & 5 are universal in nature.
     
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    You seem to suggest that.
     
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    You might grasp it eventually.
     
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    I already have. :)
     
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    How so? Where did I say this or even suggest this?
     
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    I took it that way.
     
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    We would then agree. See ya later.........
     
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    Where exactly in 4 and 5 do they teach universal atonement? Those are so vast it’s hard to pinpoint where you believe they do. Which articles and/or rejections say they teach universal atonement?
     
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    Thanks. What I'm going on so far is the level of logic in Dort's 5 points. And how the New Birth, not works correct it.
     
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    It's not the atonement that saves, but coerced perseverance in good works.
     
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    Po lil' Willis, I didn't know he was so thin skinned, especially considering that he started it.
     
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    I don’t disagree with you in that. You just can’t get that from 1 Cor passage.

    peace to you
     
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    That's not true. I agree with OSAS (only for the church-age).
    A man can at on point in his life come to trust nothing but the righteousness of Christ to save him, then get messed up with bad doctrine. That doesn't cancel his spiritual birth. The Bible tells us that some believers were teaching against OSAS, but they were still believers.
    Act 15:5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.

    That's pretty inventive stuff there, only the immediate context is the fire of the judgment seat of Christ (as per the 2Corinthians 5 cross-reference) not persecution.
     
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    No actually you don't know the difference. All five points are intact .
    Calvin did not teach Universal atonement he's often misunderstood and characterized that way by the enemies of Grace .
    furthermore you don't understand the difference of one saved always saved which is a false teaching by those who oppose God's Grace.
    perseverance of the Saints which is biblical and I suspect it's probably a misunderstanding of the law of God in reference to the Christian that adds to this.
     
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    Yeah he uses 1689 meaning the confession of Faith most of his posts are anti confessional
     
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    There is a huge difference. The Arminian style works salvation in points 4 & 5 only coerced by God. This squares with Universal atonement.
     
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    It's there by extension. Who are the losers in this context if not the people it affects?
     
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    Calvin did not teach Universal atonement that is what the enemies of Grace teach. Look up a sermon on the Lord's supper and he clearly states some take the Lord's Supper who Christ did not die for them no look it up do some research instead of going with the enemies of Grace and what they have to say and take Calvin out of context of a half a sentence here a phrase there when he's talking about the universal offer of the Gospel
     
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