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[Iconoclast]

Calvin did not teach Universal atonement that is what the enemies of Grace teach. Look up a sermon on the Lord's supper and he clearly states some take the Lord's Supper who Christ did not die for them no look it up do some research instead of going with the enemies of Grace and what they have to say and take Calvin out of context of a half a sentence here a phrase there when he's talking about the universal offer of the Gospel

You make reference to Rodger Nicole's article will go ahead and read the whole thing carefully

 

[1689Dave]

Calvin did not teach Universal atonement that is what the enemies of Grace teach. Look up a sermon on the Lord's supper and he clearly states some take the Lord's Supper who Christ did not die for them no look it up do some research instead of going with the enemies of Grace and what they have to say and take Calvin out of context of a half a sentence here a phrase there when he's talking about the universal offer of the Gospel

I don't know that for a fact. Dort is based on universal atonement in points 4 & 5.

 

[1689Dave]

You make reference to Rodger Nicole's article will go ahead and read the whole thing carefully

He says Calvin taught limited atonement. But I'm not convinced.

 

[Iconoclast]

He says Calvin taught limited atonement. But I'm not convinced.

ok....there are several who have put it forth.

 

[1689Dave]

ok....there are several who have put it forth.

But we each need to read institutes to know for sure. I'm just saying evidence from Dort suggests he taught universal atonement.

 

[1689Dave]

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[canadyjd]

It's there by extension. Who are the losers in this context if not the people it affects?

It’s the leaders that Paul is addressing, not all Christians. The “loss” is dependent upon their followers being faithful in persecution. If the followers stumble, due to persecution, the leaders fail and lose their “reward”, though their salvation remains.

peace to you

 

[Iconoclast]

Look up once saved always saved by RB Thieme

 

[1689Dave]

It’s the leaders that Paul is addressing, not all Christians. The “loss” is dependent upon their followers being faithful in persecution. If the followers stumble, due to persecution, the leaders fail and lose their “reward”, though their salvation remains.

peace to you

But it's the victims of the bad teacher who are the evidence. This would include you or me. This is why I don't trust teachers. I'm sharing some precious truth but you only trample it under foot.

 

[SovereignGrace]

I don't know that for a fact. Dort is based on universal atonement in points 4 & 5.

I honestly don’t think the Canons of Dort teach universal atonement , seeing they were refuting the Five Points of the Remonstrance, who did teach universal atonement.

 

[1689Dave]

I honestly don’t think the Canons of Dort teach universal atonement , seeing they were refuting the Five Points of the Remonstrance, who did teach universal atonement.

They don't teach universal atonement. But their points 4-5 teach Arminian style salvation by works, but under divine coercion. As though Calvin taught universal atonement. = they are logically inconsistant.

 

[SovereignGrace]

They don't teach universal atonement. But their points 4-5 teach Arminian style salvation by works, but under divine coercion. As though Calvin taught universal atonement. = they are logically inconsistant.

I’m going to have to read them in depth for myself. I honestly don’t think they teach that, but I could be wrong.

 

[SovereignGrace]

They don't teach universal atonement. But their points 4-5 teach Arminian style salvation by works, but under divine coercion. As though Calvin taught universal atonement. = they are logically inconsistant.

Are you referring to the fourth and fifth heads?

 

[1689Dave]

Are you referring to the fourth and fifth heads?

Points 4 & 5 of the 5 points of Calvinism.

 

[1689Dave]

I’m going to have to read them in depth for myself. I honestly don’t think they teach that, but I could be wrong.

They are not in line with Limited Atonement that saves intrinsically.

 

[Mikey]

They are not in line with Limited Atonement that saves intrinsically.

For clarification, are you saying that the Canon of Dordt diverged from what Calvin/institutes taught?

 

[1689Dave]

For clarification, are you saying that the Canon of Dordt diverged from what Calvin/institutes taught?

Possibly by teaching Limited Atonement. Points 4-5 are not logically consistent. Limited atonement saves the elect. Not perseverance of the saints (works).

 

[1689Dave]

For clarification, are you saying that the Canon of Dordt diverged from what Calvin/institutes taught?

It seems. I've never read Institutes. What I know is the 5 points are true to scripture up until points 4-5 which teaches salvation by works, albeit coerced works.

 

[Martin Marprelate]

It seems. I've never read Institutes. What I know is the 5 points are true to scripture up until points 4-5 which teaches salvation by works, albeit coerced works.

You are missing the point, brother. Perseverance is the evidence that one is a saint, not a work one does to become one. Nonetheless, our Lord's word stands: "But he who endures to the end shall be saved.' And by implication, he who doesn't, won't. Read Acts 26:20.

 

[1689Dave]

You are missing the point, brother. Perseverance is the evidence that one is a saint, not a work one does to become one. Nonetheless, our Lord's word stands: "But he who endures to the end shall be saved.' And by implication, he who doesn't, won't. Read Acts 26:20.

You are teaching works salvation. What I'm saying is that we are saved no matter what. Even our worst sins cannot prevent our salvation. Go ahead and gasp a few times, it's all right. Because God gives us a nature that hates sin and loves righteousness. So while you are trying to mend the flesh and trust in yourself, the born again are doing what they are designed to do. And that is to live holy lives.