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Our role in evangelism

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Silverhair

Silverhair

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Iconoclast said:
Sure they can...they just have to seek God savingly. Tell me when any do.
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How can they seek God to be saved, remember you said no one can seek God. You have got to get your theology straight. And besides that if according to you only those that are picked out before time can be saved how are those that are not picked supposed to seek God to be saved?
 
Silverhair

Silverhair

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Iconoclast said:
i asked you to explain jn6.37-44
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I just did you just do not not like what it says.
Joh 6:36 not all believe
37 those that believe will be saved
37 all those that the father gives Christ will keep
38 Christ came to do the fathers will
39 His will is the Christ loose none
40 His will, those that believe will be saved
44 none come without being drawn
45 all who hear and believe will be saved

Simple and clear. Those that Father gives to the son are those that hear the gospel message and believe it and those are the ones that will be raised up. But as we know not all will believe and those that do not are condemned by their own choice. That is free will plain and simple, now you just have to accept it.
 
Silverhair

Silverhair

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Iconoclast said:
where does it say that?
it says that no where in the text.
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Joh 6:45 "It is written in the prophets, 'AND THEY SHALL ALL BE TAUGHT OF GOD.' Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father, comes to Me.

Open your eyes man, take of those calvinist blinders. Your just embarrassing yourself.
 
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Silverhair said:
How can they seek God to be saved, remember you said no one can seek God. You have got to get your theology straight. And besides that if according to you only those that are picked out before time can be saved how are those that are not picked supposed to seek God to be saved?
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Well...you say they can seek God, so what is the problem? You say they have a will that is free
 
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Silverhair said:
Joh 6:45 "It is written in the prophets, 'AND THEY SHALL ALL BE TAUGHT OF GOD.' Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father, comes to Me.

Open your eyes man, take of those calvinist blinders. Your just embarrassing yourself.
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That doesnot explain the whole passage.
Stop listening to leighton flowers.
 
JonC

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Iconoclast said:
You have done all these things...is this a confession?
Confession is good for the soul. Go ahead,cleanse you conscience
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I have done none of those things.

I am asking you to support your accusation.

You say I (and others) do not understand but are unable to provide anything we don't understand.

You say I denied 1 Corinthians 2:14 but cannot provide any instance where I denied the verse.

You have a habit of making false and wild accusations against people who date to disagree with you.

This is not right. It is wrong, not only because you make unfounded claims and false accusations but also (and primarily) because it is contrary to the law of Christ.

Why do you make claims you cannot back up?

Do you think it makes me look bad just because you say I do not understand something you cannot provide?

Do you think it makes me look bad just because you say I deny a passage but you cannot provide any instances where I deny a passage?

It doesn't. It makes you look pretty and discredits your words. It is the boy crying wolf. I caution you about making these false accusations because it makes you untrustworthy.
 
JonC

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Iconoclast said:
SOMEONE DISABLED THE PREVIOUS POSTS FEATURE, MOST LIKEY IT WAS YOU AS YOU TRIED TO CONCEAL YOUR POSTS BEFORE.
i AM NOT COMBING THROUGH THREADS LOOKING FOR IT.

i ASKED YOU WHICH POST YOU SAID THE WORD ELECT WAS ONLY USED FOR PEOPLE THAT WERE ALREADY SAVED?
YOU DID NOT ANSWER,BUT NOW WANT EVERYONE TO JUMP THROUGH HOOPS WHEN YOU ASK A QUESTION?
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What "previous post feature??

This is what I was talking about.

AGAIN you make a false accusation and when challenged come up with some strange reason you cannot back up your claim.

The fact is there exists no post where I rejected the passage

You invented it. It was all in your head.

I have no idea what you are talking about with a "previous post feature", but if it exists I don't have the authority to disable it. I do not have an administrative role here.

Just be honest. You made a false accusation you cannot back up because it was false.

I AM NOT ASKING NG YOU TO JUMP THROUGH HOOPS.

I AM ASKING YOU TO SUPPORT YOUR CLAIMS.

YOU ARE MAKING TOO MANY FALSE ACCUSATIONS.

If you are going to make an accusation bring the evidence.

Your evidence that I deny a passage is I did not respond to one of your posts ????

What passage can I provide that Scripture does not refer to the lost before they are saved as the elect?????

Serious? What passage can you provide stating that Scripture does not contain the phrase "when pigs fly"?

Proved a post where I deny
1 Cor 2:14.

You can't as it exists only in your mind. You are digging in, but in so doing you discredit yourself, proving yourself untrustworthy.


Let's see the post you interpreted as me denying the passage.
 
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JonC said:
I have done none of those things.

I am asking you to support your accusation.

You say I (and others) do not understand but are unable to provide anything we don't understand.

You say I denied 1 Corinthians 2:14 but cannot provide any instance where I denied the verse.

You have a habit of making false and wild accusations against people who date to disagree with you.

This is not right. It is wrong, not only because you make unfounded claims and false accusations but also (and primarily) because it is contrary to the law of Christ.

Why do you make claims you cannot back up?

Do you think it makes me look bad just because you say I do not understand something you cannot provide?

Do you think it makes me look bad just because you say I deny a passage but you cannot provide any instances where I deny a passage?

It doesn't. It makes you look pretty and discredits your words. It is the boy crying wolf. I caution you about making these false accusations because it makes you untrustworthy.
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Restore the previous post function,then we will find it
 
JonC

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Iconoclast said:
Restore the previous post function,then we will find it
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I have no idea what you are talking about.

"Last Message" is a column title (NOT a function).

God under my profile and the "recent activity" tab to see what I posted (or use the search feature - leave the first section...the "search for"...blank and put JonC in the member name. You can see all of my posts).

There is no excuse. The post you claim of me rejecting the verse simply does not exist. You imagined it.

You are just trying the back track and offer excuses for making false accusations, as is your habit.

I think everybody knows that I did not deny the passage as I have repeatedly affirmed it.

You are just trying the back track and offer excuses for making false accusations, as is your habit.

I think everybody knows that I did not deny the passage as I have repeatedly affirmed it.

You have again discredited yourself. Please be more careful when making claims. You repeatedly make false accusations against members of this forum and that is not right.
 
Silverhair

Silverhair

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Iconoclast said:
Well...you say they can seek God, so what is the problem? You say they have a will that is free
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So you agree then that all that are saved are saved because they freely chose to trust in Christ Jesus. Those that do not are those that will be condemned to hell. It is nice to see that you are finally starting to understand what the bible says. Man has a God given free will. Welcome to the non-calvinist side.
 
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Salty

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JonC said:
Admin (@dr Bob, @Squire Robertsson , @Salty )

Do you know anything about this function?

I have never used it, don't know where it is, or even what it does (I assume it takes you to a previous post).

@Iconoclast is requesting it be enabled. (Actually, he accused me of disabling it).
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I have no ideal what post he is talking about -
If it was permanently deleted - I dont think there is any way to bring it back



and now for the clincher

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Silverhair said:
So you agree then that all that are saved are saved because they freely chose to trust in Christ Jesus. Those that do not are those that will be condemned to hell. It is nice to see that you are finally starting to understand what the bible says. Man has a God given free will. Welcome to the non-calvinist side.
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No. AS FREE WILL DOES NOT EXIST i DO NOT BELIEVE THAT. i WAS ANSWERING YOUR REMARKS.
 
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Squire Robertsson said:
I have access to a "history" function. So, I can see edits.
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Good morning Squire,

I am asking about this;
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