Our role in evangelism

[Silverhair]

No....my "theology" says God saves everyone He has purposed to save and not one will be lost.2 Pet 3:9....He is not willing that any perish.Jesus seeks and SAVES all the Father has given Him.
That is what Biblical Theology is.I believe it.

Then you need to do a rethink of your theology. God saves all those that will freely trust in His son and that is most definitely not what your theology teaches is it.

 

[Silverhair]

My theology does not bind men. Their sin does.

Under your theology God decrees all things and yet somehow sin is missed. Man has the free will to sin but not to trust in God for his salvation. Your theology is to say the least warped and unbiblical. I think you realize this but you can not admit it because you are to invested in it.

 

[Silverhair]

Do you think Jesus does not seek and save the lost?

Jesus does but your theology says He can not. You have put restrictions on what God can do and you do not even realize that you have done so or perhaps you just ignore that point.

 

[Silverhair]

The elect were elected before the world was....consult scripture.

The elect are those that are "in Christ" consult scripture.

 

[Silverhair]

There are many.They have to be understood correctly however so I know you are not interested.

By correctly you mean as the calvinist theology requires them to be understood, not as the bible states them. Your just proving that calvinism is a philosophical concept.

 

[JonC]

There are many.They have to be understood correctly however so I know you are not interested.

No, I am interested. You say "there are many" things I have not understood, yet you fail to reply with even one.

Scripture tells us that "iron sharpens iron". Just saying "you don't understand something" does not help without providing what is not understood (I'd even say it is unbilical). You make the claim often when people disagree with you. Every time, however, it appears the other person does understand, they just reject what you are saying as being correct.

So, in this thread, what did I not understand?

 

[Iconoclast]

No, what I am saying and you keep missing or just ignoring is that your theology makes God the one who irresistibly condemns billions. It has nothing to do with Adam, just your theology.

Do you believe sinners are justly condemned for sin?

 

[Alan Gross]

Do you believe sinners are justly condemned for sin?

I BELIEVE: An Unclean Spirit Returns
(Luke 11:24–26)

43When an unclean spirit comes out of a man, it passes through arid places seeking rest and does not find it. 44Then it says, ‘I will return to the house I left.’ On its return, it finds the house vacant, swept clean, and put in order. 45Then it goes and brings with it seven other spirits more wicked than itself, and they go in and dwell there; and the final plight of that man is worse than the first. So will it be with this wicked generation.”

DOES THAT HELP?

 

[Dave G]

Christ Jesus paid the full sin debt for humanity, in other words price paid/bought back. But if the person that has had their sins covered does not accept the fact that Christ Jesus paid that debt they they are saying they can pay their own debt.

Respectfully, I see that you're contradicting yourself, sir.
Whether or not a person "accepts" what has been done, does not change what has been done.

If the Lord Jesus paid for all of humanity's sins, then we all stand free and clear.
It's as simple as that.

Those that believe in the risen Christ will be saved.

I agree, and that is what God's word says.

 

[Dave G]

His blood paid the sin debt His life saves.
Rom_5:10 For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.
Why do you struggle so much with the text of the bible.

Look at who this passage is addressed to.
Who are the "we", the "us"?

This is not addressed to all of humanity, my friend.
Why do you insist on assigning this passage to all of mankind, when it is addressed to those who have already believed on Christ?

People are in hell because they do not accept the free gift of salvation.

No my friend.
They are in Hell because they are sinners who hate God ( Romans 1:18-32 ).

Remember this?
" For the wages of sin [is] death; but the gift of God [is] eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." ( Romans 6:23 ).

Gifts do not need to be accepted or even known about to be received.

 

[Dave G]

So your saying that people are saved so they will believe, that is not biblical but it is calvinist.

It is quite Biblical.

John 6:37-47.
John 10:26-29.
Ephesians 1:3-14.
Ephesians 2:1-10.
Romans 8:28-30.
Romans 9:6-24.

John Calvin and what he may have or may not have taught has absolutely nothing to do with what the Scriptures say.

So you agree then that God condemns billions to hell just because He can because they can not believe unless He grants them the ability to do so.

God condemns billions to Hell and the Lake of Fire because:

Romans 3:10-11.
Romans 3:23.
Ecclesiastes 7:20.

We are all willful sinners who love sin and hate God, in our hearts ( Romans 1:18-32, Romans 3:10-18, John 3:19-20, etc ).

Unless He grants us the miracle of the new birth, opens our "eyes" and "ears" to the truth of His words, and has mercy on a person,
that person will indeed be condemned, justly, for their sins.


Good evening to you, and I wish you well.

 

[Iconoclast]

By correctly you mean as the calvinist theology requires them to be understood, not as the bible states them. Your just proving that calvinism is a philosophical concept.

Those who do not understand the teaching of Scripture appeal to philosophy.
Calvinism comes.from the Bible, correctly understood.

 

[JonC]

Those who do not understand the teaching of Scripture appeal to philosophy.
Calvinism comes.from the Bible, correctly understood.

You seem quick to say "people don't understand". You said that about me.

But this far you have been unable to say what I don't understand.

Looks like you are the one that may lack understanding here, as evidenced by empty statements (you cannot explain what I don't understand, but only know I disagree with you).

 

[Iconoclast]

By correctly you mean as the calvinist theology requires them to be understood, not as the bible states them. Your just proving that calvinism is a philosophical concept.

Those who do not understand the teaching of Scripture appeal to philosophy.
Calvinism comes.from the Bible, correctly understood.
You might need to read it freshly

 

[JonC]

Those who do not understand the teaching of Scripture appeal to philosophy.

This part is true.

 

[Silverhair]

Do you believe sinners are justly condemned for sin?

Of course but your theology remove the justice from that situation. By your theology they are condemned before they are even born. Remember your the ones that keep saying that God has chosen all those that will be saved and that before time. So if all those that can be saved are already chosen then that means that all those that will be condemned are already chosen before time. So it is not their sin that condemns them is it, it is the fact they were not chosen by God. That is the reality of your theology.

 

[Silverhair]

Respectfully, I see that you're contradicting yourself, sir.
Whether or not a person "accepts" what has been done, does not change what has been done.

If the Lord Jesus paid for all of humanity's sins, then we all stand free and clear.
It's as simple as that.

I agree, and that is what God's word says.

You got half of it right. You leave out the part where man has to believe in the risen Christ Jesus before they are saved. If they reject that offer then they are condemned even though He has paid for their sins.

If I paid for your ticket to the ball game and you reject my offer of the ticket then you still do not get to see the ball game do you.

 

[Iconoclast]

Of course but your theology remove the justice from that situation. By your theology they are condemned before they are even born. Remember your the ones that keep saying that God has chosen all those that will be saved and that before time. So if all those that can be saved are already chosen then that means that all those that will be condemned are already chosen before time. So it is not their sin that condemns them is it, it is the fact they were not chosen by God. That is the reality of your theology.

No..it does not say they are chosen.
The elect are chosen, the others are past by.
If they want to believe they can.

 

[Silverhair]

Look at who this passage is addressed to.
Who are the "we", the "us"?

This is not addressed to all of humanity, my friend.
Why do you insist on assigning this passage to all of mankind, when it is addressed to those who have already believed on Christ?

No my friend.
They are in Hell because they are sinners who hate God ( Romans 1:18-32 ).

Remember this?
" For the wages of sin [is] death; but the gift of God [is] eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." ( Romans 6:23 ).

Gifts do not need to be accepted or even known about to be received.

So now your saying that the offer of salvation is really not universal, wow you really have a warped view of theology.

Were you a sinner before you trusted in Christ Jesus? YES you were, in fact we all were.
So He died for us
Rom 5:8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

And as we see by His death we were reconciled to God and it is by His life we are saved,
Rom 5:10 For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.

But you may be asking why are we saved by His life:
Rom 5:1 Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,
Rom 5:2 through whom also we have obtained our introduction by faith into this grace in which we stand; and we exult in hope of the glory of God.

Rom 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;
Rom 10:10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.

Look at the context of the verses that I have shown you and I am sure it will clear up a number of your misunderstandings.

 

[Iconoclast]

Of course but your theology remove the justice from that situation. By your theology they are condemned before they are even born. Remember your the ones that keep saying that God has chosen all those that will be saved and that before time. So if all those that can be saved are already chosen then that means that all those that will be condemned are already chosen before time. So it is not their sin that condemns them is it, it is the fact they were not chosen by God. That is the reality of your theology.

No...the reality is you and your friend offer philosophy and not scripture.
I am not going to respond to such ramblings.