No...it is self will bound by sin
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"Silverhair,
God does not, will not force anyone to come to Him but He will draw all the elect children to Him
Yes ,but is efficient only for the elect
God does not, will not force anyone to come to Him but He will draw all the elect children to Him
"Silverhair,
So we agree then that God condemns billions to hell justly for their sins...We do not blame God as you do.
So we agree then that God condemns billions to hell justly for their sins...We do not blame God as you do.
Silverhair
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Which under your theology God has bound them to with no hope of salvation. But that is not the God of the bible and there in lays the problem for you.
Silverhair
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No one is elect until they have freely trusted in Christ Jesus for their salvation well that is unless your a calvinist then your saved before you even believe.
Silverhair
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NO, your theology does this. You just refuse to see it for what it is.
Silverhair
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So your theology teaches that God did not provide a way for the salvation of billions of people and then you claim that those people could have been saved if they wanted to be. But if the blood was not for them then how could they be saved? Your whole theology is a contradiction and you just ignore that fact.
Did God sin in the garden or did Adam?
I believe it was Adam.
You are suggesting it was God who did something wrong.
God is going to punish all sin justly. Rev 19:1-4.
No....my "theology" says God saves everyone He has purposed to save and not one will be lost.2 Pet 3:9....He is not willing that any perish.Jesus seeks and SAVES all the Father has given Him.
That is what Biblical Theology is.I believe it.
The issue is nobody is denying that God's wrath will fall upon the wicked.
Revelation 19:1–4 After these things I heard something like a loud voice of a great multitude in heaven, saying,
“Hallelujah! Salvation and glory and power belong to our God;
2 because His judgments are true and righteous; for He has judged the great harlot who was corrupting the earth with her immorality, and He has avenged the blood of His bond-servants on her.”
3 And a second time they said, “Hallelujah! Her smoke rises up forever and ever.”
4 And the twenty-four elders and the four living creatures fell down and worshiped God who sits on the throne saying, “Amen. Hallelujah!
"The Great Harlot who was corrupting the earth with her immorality does not refer to Christians (those who have been recreated, reborn, in Christ).
You are not talking about God punishing the wicked (although I think you don't realize this) but a need within God that He must address. And you are wrong.
Which verse says that Jesus seeks and saved all the Father gives Him?
My theology does not bind men. Their sin does.
Do you think Jesus does not seek and save the lost?
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The elect were elected before the world was....consult scripture.
I not talking about what we think.
You said:
....my "theology" says God saves everyone He has purposed to save and not one will be lost.2 Pet 3:9....He is not willing that any perish.Jesus seeks and SAVES all the Father has given Him.
That is what Biblical Theology is.I believe it.
I was asking which passage?
There are many.They have to be understood correctly however so I know you are not interested.
Silverhair
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No, what I am saying and you keep missing or just ignoring is that your theology makes God the one who irresistibly condemns billions. It has nothing to do with Adam, just your theology.
Silverhair
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And that is done because of man having a God given free will. Under your theology God is not just, He is arbitrary.
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