Outrageous! You WILL be offended!

[Chessic]

It's the law that only women are to be in the room.

I would like to see this law and whether it applies to every situation, even when, for example, the female officers present don't feel they can safely subdue a combative detainee.

 

[Chessic]

I would want to know WHY I was disrobing as I was a victim and not a perpetrator!

You should have every right to know this, or at least have this question answered. But what if you didn't agree with the answer? Would it be right then to scream, claw, bite, etc? Not that you would, I'm just saying procedure may not meet to your approval, but it is still procedure, supposedly based on law.

 

[The Scribe]

I would like to see this law and whether it applies to every situation, even when, for example, the female officers present don't feel they can safely subdue a combative detainee.

If they can't do their job then they should be fired.

 

[Joe]

Chessic ,

You aren't worth it

 

[I Am Blessed 24]

But what if you didn't agree with the answer? Would it be right then to scream, claw, bite, etc? Not that you would, I'm just saying procedure may not meet to your approval, but it is still procedure, supposedly based on law.

I'm usually pretty docile and I go by the rules, but I would have to understand what they wanted from me and why.

I really can't say what I would do and I certainly pray I never have to find out.

I have panic attacks, so I would act differently than someone who does not have them. I would tell them that I needed medical attention and hope they would get it for me.

Regardless of what I would do, this woman was treated unfairly and with a good amount of force that should not have been needed, and it IS against the law for a male officer to be present when a female prisoner is disrobed.

 

[Joe]

You should have every right to know this, or at least have this question answered. But what if you didn't agree with the answer? Would it be right then to scream, claw, bite, etc? Not that you would, I'm just saying procedure may not meet to your approval, but it is still procedure, supposedly based on law.

It has nothing to do with agreeing with the answer. Yes, if someone is attacking you, holding you down and trying to strip you naked like a side of beef, you should kick, scream and claw. There is a BIBLE VERSE which states if you are being sexually assulted or attacked, you are to scream as loud as possible. Can't recall where it is offhand.


Trying to say that women cannot scream or defend themselves if they "do not like the answer" is promoting the sexual assult of women. Its cut and dry.

You need help Chessic

 

[The Scribe]

It has nothing to do with agreeing with the answer. Yes, if someone is attacking you, holding you down and trying to strip you naked like a side of beef, you should kick, scream and claw. There is a BIBLE VERSE which states if you are being sexually assulted or attacked, you are to scream as loud as possible. Can't recall where it is offhand.


Trying to say that women cannot scream or defend themselves if they "do not like the answer" is promoting the sexual assult of women. Its cut and dry.

You need help Chessic

I believe this is what you are looking for.

Deuteronomy 22;24-25 (KJV)
24: Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour's wife: so thou shalt put away evil from among you.
25: But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die:

 

[carpro]

There are a lot of questions that remain unanswered here.

That is entirely my point. As much as this tape offends one's sense of propriety and/or their sense of right and wrong, I am not ready to convict the police of any wrongdoing without knowing the rest of the story.

And I have been accused of hating women because of it.

 

[Joe]

I believe this is what you are looking for.

Deuteronomy 22;24-25 (KJV)
24: Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour's wife: so thou shalt put away evil from among you.
25: But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die:

thank you Scribe

 

[The Scribe]

That is entirely my point. As much as this tape offends one's sense of propriety and/or their sense of right and wrong, I am not ready to convict the police of any wrongdoing without knowing the rest of the story.

And I have been accused of hating women because of it.

You're forgetting the world's laws are conflicting with scripture.

Also, men are not to be involved in stripping a female, ever.

They are in violation and so are the women involved for not saying anything. They went along with it like sheep.

The men and women involved should be fired along with the sheriff.

Her rights were clearly violated.

 

[Ivon Denosovich]

You should have every right to know this, or at least have this question answered. But what if you didn't agree with the answer? Would it be right then to scream, claw, bite, etc? Not that you would, I'm just saying procedure may not meet to your approval, but it is still procedure, supposedly based on law.

If as you say, I should have every "right" to know why I'm being disrobed then, yes, an act of violence is philosophically approrpriate to defend one's right. Let me explain how this works: You have a "right" to live, so if I attempt to violate that right, guess what that entitles you to do me?

FWIW, I don't actually believe you were being serious when you used the word "right" or questioning an act of retaliation would be off the table.

 

[carpro]

You're forgetting the world's laws are conflicting with scripture.

I am forgetting nothing.

But you are...you are casting the first stone. Without even knowing why.

 

[The Scribe]

I am forgetting nothing.

But you are...you are casting the first stone. Without even knowing why.

Yes, you forget the scriptures that aren't convenient.

Her rights were clearly violated. If this were your wife, daughter or any other relative you would think differently.

Men aren't to be in the room when a woman is stripped. I don't even condone men being in women's prisons.

If women officers can't control women prisoners they need to be fired for being inept at their jobs.

Your views are much too liberal.

Your reference to "casting the first stone" is out of context. That verse is often taking out of context.

 

[Ivon Denosovich]

You're views are much too liberal.

::marking calendar::

:smilewinkgrin:

 

[carpro]

Yes, you forget the scriptures that aren't convenient.

Apparently, just as you do.

 

[carpro]

::marking calendar::

:smilewinkgrin:

I have been cursed, right here on BB!!!

 

[The Scribe]

Apparently, just as you do.

I don't believe so. I don't take man's law over God's law. :saint:

 

[Chessic]

Chessic ,

You aren't worth it

My Savior thinks I'm worth it. That's what matters most to me. I'd appreciate you leaving your estimation of my worth out of this discussion, since it is both irrelevant and unscriptural.

 

[Chessic]

Her rights were clearly violated. If this were your wife, daughter or any other relative you would think differently.

This situation is anything but clear with so many unanswered questions. And the weary argument that I would somehow change my stance if I had more emotional attachment to the victim is insulting. The women in my life have no more right to defy the law than this woman.

Men aren't to be in the room when a woman is stripped. I don't even condone men being in women's prisons.

You keep saying this but have not provided a reference. Are you saying men shouldn't be present? If so, this in an opinion. If it is a law that clearly shows her rights were violated at the federal or state level because of the presence of men, please provide a reference.

 

[Joe]

My Savior thinks I'm worth it. That's what matters most to me. I'd appreciate you leaving your estimation of my worth out of this discussion, since it is both irrelevant and unscriptural.

I never mentioned your Savior or your worth regarding him so please leave that out of the discussion, as it is taking my words out of context and replacing them with your own.