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[Precepts]

So what's wrong with the Church in the Now? It seems that they are reaching people for Christ in a mighty way.

They would love for you to believe that, I would have to say "sucking people in". In droves at that, but why can't they reach right next door 200 ft. away to Steve? Instead they call the police to have him investigated for their presumptions and have NEVER been to talk to him about the Lord? Hmmm? Something's amiss! He's lived there before the "church" even started construction about 9 years ago. Hmmm?

I wouldn't say they are reaching people for Christ, but for their own glory, their own benefit. We have interacted several times with members and ex-memebers alike, they are a modernistic cult, not in the defintion usually associated with a cult, but a more mordern type of "heaping".

You know they've even had "members" smoking pot at their "concerts"? Check out "Teen Planet" the building clad in glow-in-the-dark carpet with strob lights, mirror balls, and blacklights with all sorts of worldly murals on the walls, with occult video games, promoting gothic attitudes, and the music at a deafening level. Hmmm? Fits the descritpion of the bar scene and the pot dens from which the Lord rescued me from! Hmmm... all in the Name of Christ, BLASPHEMOUS!

 

[Charles Meadows]

QS,

Potdens in the name of Christ? OK I'll agree with you that that's an abomination!

But it still seems that you want everyone to be like you! I understand the notion that once you give kids an inch they want a foot, then a mile etc. That is valid - but it still does not mean that giving them an inch is an inch in the wrong direction. If they take only that inch - good!

What would a first century Christian think about our church with air conditioning and lights and microphones. Would he say that that is living in the devil's world?? If he did he'd be missing the big picture - as I'm afraid you tend to do sometimes!

If kids want to have drug orgies and call it "Christian" then I'm there with you in condemning it as blasphemous. But if they do something that is just DIFFERENT, not drugs, not booze, not sex - so what. It may be different than we'd like (yes I said WE

) but that does not make it wrong!!

 

[ScottEmerson]

Originally posted by QuickeningSpirit:
No arguement, just reproof for the strong adversary that continues to deny reason of context. Uh, the richman was in hell, lifting his eyes in torments, where there is weeping, wailing , and gnashing of teeth, all due to his unbelief that got him there. Remember the Lord's reproof in Luke 16, Though they have Moses and the prophets they will not believe, though one rose from the dead. The verse is synonymous with John 11. It's called the Harmony of the Gospels.

Again, Jesus did not weep when he said that about people not believing. Why assume that he was wailing here?

"Dakruo" could posiibly be the wrong Greek word, or it is not defined accurately, either way, the context still over-rides.

Now you're questioning the authority of the inspiration of the Holy Spirit? It's definitely the RIGHT Greek word, and there hasn't been a single question as to its definition published by anyone. So, the mountain of evidence is strongly against you. You can't change the meaning of a word just because you want it to.

Your 9 synonyms for "snow"? We wouldn't be saying how the snow was blowing and causing us to become snowblind by "wet snow". Follow context , my good man, uh, adversary, and it will disclaim confusion and relate truth.

Words define context. When one knows the proper word, he will be able to understand the context. It's simple hermeneutics.

If you want to stay out 'chonder in left field, go ahead, but the ball has been hit into rightfield, and you are out of play.

I think that you are apparently playing by yourself, since you are the only one I've ever seen who has disagreed with John's word choice here. I've never read anything to the contrary, heard anything to the contrary, or seen anything to the contrary - only when you started posting have I ever seen someone say that dakruo doesn't mean what it's supposed to mean.

Oh well, if you would like to keep trying to convince sinners that Jesus only softly and silently shed a tear over their unbelief that sends a man to hell then go right ahead, I'll stick to the obvious and you stick to the semantics.

One can mourn deeply without wailing. It's an obvious fact, and John says as much. If John wanted to give any possible doubt that Jesus was wailing why did he deliberately use a different Greek word for Christ's crying than the crowds who were doing what it is that you say Christ did? Did John make a mistake? Is this like you said earlier, where sometimes we just need to add to the Scriptures to make things more clear?

 

[ScottEmerson]

Originally posted by QuickeningSpirit:
They would love for you to believe that, I would have to say "sucking people in". In droves at that, but why can't they reach right next door 200 ft. away to Steve? Instead they call the police to have him investigated for their presumptions and have NEVER been to talk to him about the Lord? Hmmm? Something's amiss! He's lived there before the "church" even started construction about 9 years ago. Hmmm?

Don't know who Steve is, so I can't relate. I can't help but feel that there are several sides to the story here.

I wouldn't say they are reaching people for Christ, but for their own glory, their own benefit. We have interacted several times with members and ex-memebers alike, they are a modernistic cult, not in the defintion usually associated with a cult, but a more mordern type of "heaping".

What specifically makes you say that?

You know they've even had "members" smoking pot at their "concerts"? Check out "Teen Planet" the building clad in glow-in-the-dark carpet with strob lights, mirror balls, and blacklights with all sorts of worldly murals on the walls, with occult video games, promoting gothic attitudes, and the music at a deafening level. Hmmm? Fits the descritpion of the bar scene and the pot dens from which the Lord rescued me from! Hmmm... all in the Name of Christ, BLASPHEMOUS!

Occultic video games? Which ones? How do they promote gothic attitudes? Because they invite goths to come to church?

In a world where society has progressed farther and farther from the church, it is refreshing to see a church committed to reaching out to those students who would in no way enter a traditional church. As for my youth program, we have loud music (not deafening though), and we're seeing several skaters who are coming regularly. It's cool to see God working in their lives. Instead of telling them to "get off of our property", we're inviting them to our student night of worship. And they're responding.

I think to where Jesus spent a lot of his time, and I think that he would assuredly spend more time at a place like that than in the comfortable, white-washed sanctuaries of many churches. Personally, I would welcome the opportunity to minister to "potheads" - I wouldn't want it smoked at church, of course, but the possibility of being able to see Christ deliver someone from that would be very cool, indeed.

 

[Scott J]

Originally posted by QuickeningSpirit:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr /> Here is my commitment. If you begin to behave like a Christian (loving the brethren, et al.) then I would like to continue interacting with you occasionally. If your testimony is going to continue to belie your claims about preaching the gospel and loving other Christians then I will not give you an occasion to continue in these sins.

You quoted from your "version" of what you think to be love, but you have never shown that towards me and I really don't care if you ever do, it doesn't change the fact that I love you unconditionally. </font>[/QUOTE]
It isn't what I think love is... it is what the Bible says love is. If you want to dispute the translation of these words, feel free. It's the NASB- accurate, literal, and appropriate to the use I made of it.

As this is a debate board, there are very few chances to demonstrate love in an active way. However, to the best of my knowledge and ability, I have tried to keep my disagreements with you respectful even when you didn't.

I intentionally try to avoid inflammatory language because I do care about Christians and the fact that some believe an idea that is false. Worse yet, this pseudo-doctrine inhibits the growth of those who don't understand the KJV as well as an accurately translated Bible in today's vernacular and divides Christians over a belief that is not biblically supported.

You tell me when I CALLED you a liar?

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I post this info only because you seem to be intent on impugning everyone who does not agree with you by whatever means available. True or untrue, it seems not to matter to you at all. You have absolutely no idea how many people are being won to Christ through the works of those you condemn above. Nor do you have any idea how many people have gone through Atlanta Baptist Rescue Mission and come out with a false profession or hope.
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No. You're lying to the degree of why you posted this info and it is laiden with gossip.

If you want to disagree with my facts or conclusions- no problem. But you do not know me either. You object because I judge your behavior but somehow grant yourself the freedom to assume what my motives are then accuse me of lying because I state something different from what you would like to believe.

The accusations toward this pastor's ministry in Michigan were widely publicized. They became the focus of local media and reported to have merit. The pastor even alluded to the incident when talking with me about where he had come from but avoided the details. The bottom line is that I didn't lie. If you have proof that I am wrong then please show me so I will not err further. This man is a public figure. The scandal was public. If it were merely gossip that had been refuted (eg. the NIV having a homosexual translator) then I would not have posted it. From what I have been able to gather the story is true.

The incident of my taking a man to the mission is absolutely true. I knew this man and saw what happened to him. I knew other preachers who like you preached chapel there. Their comments also suggested that many of the professions were due to systematic pressure rather than godly repentance. I have no doubt that the mission does some good work and that people are being saved. But this mission is operated not completely unlike Hyles' children's church. Get 'em in, get 'em saved, get a new batch... unfortunately this is completely contrary to NT Christianity and evangelism.

You have presumed much about me that you have absolutely no way of knowing what you are talking about.

I neither presume nor assume anything about you. I simply read your posts.

You have appointed yourself a judge over my being and are guilty of such.

No. I have simply compared your behavior to scripture.

You have judged my Christian character, but have never met me.

No. The Bible is the standard for all of our behavior. I haven't set up my own standard for you... just compared it to the standard.

I will there fore give you the chance to reconcile your indifference to me or I will simply have to ignore you

Indifference? No.

I am simply asking one who claims to be my brother in Christ to consider his behavior, attitude, or at least the perceptions he leaves others with according to scripture.

This is a rough and tumble debate. However, questions can be raised, debated, and answered without making it personal and without one-upsmanship.

I don't oppose you. I oppose the error you espouse.

It is my sincere hope that many are saved through your preaching at the mission and are welcomed into your church where they are discipled for Christ. Those men truly need the gospel.

But my experience is that this is not what's happening. King's Way hadn't gained thousands of members through the mission even though they claimed thousands of salvations/baptisms. The church I attended didn't have any members from the mission although several men went there to preach and reported many professions of faith.

 

[Johnv]

Originally posted by QuickeningSpirit:
Maybe we don't define sensual the same then, none of these songs line up with what I understand sensual to be, maybe I should say sexually provocative? But maybe you lay in wait for anything to pounce on?

Sensual referrs to appealing to the senses.

If you're "looking" for anything that mght be sexually provocative, it is YOU who is looking for anything to pounce on.

Please tell me what is sexually provocative about "Mary, Did You Know", probably one of the most meaningful CCM tunes to come along.

 

[Precepts]

Indifference? No.

I am simply asking one who claims to be my brother in Christ to consider his behavior, attitude, or at least the perceptions he leaves others with according to scripture.

This is a rough and tumble debate. However, questions can be raised, debated, and answered without making it personal and without one-upsmanship.

I don't oppose you. I oppose the error you espouse.

It is my sincere hope that many are saved through your preaching at the mission and are welcomed into your church where they are discipled for Christ. Those men truly need the gospel.

But my experience is that this is not what's happening. King's Way hadn't gained thousands of members through the mission even though they claimed thousands of salvations/baptisms. The church I attended didn't have any members from the mission although several men went there to preach and reported many professions of faith.

Indifference, yes. You are judging my behaviour, yet you don't understand, that's fine, but you react the same way, just in an indifferent attitude, I suppose.

On the part about King's Way. I have never even been to the church, I don't even know the pastor, I just know men who need God come there and need the Gospel preached to them. I don't associate with the "brethren" and let them hinder my calling. If it requires going into the devil's den to pull them out of the fire and the Lord so leads, just put on your armour and let's charge the gates of hell together!

I'm sure if the pastor of Kuing's way and I sat down and agrued long enough, it would become a time for me to separate if the "rumour" is substanciated, but I do not behave "unseemly", one of those Bible defintions to charity. I tend to give the benefit of the doubt, but I won't hesitate to agitate what is clearly opposed to itself.

You would not understand this, it is obvious, but your opinion is misleading and WRONG. You seem to say I demand others to be like me, but all the while you demand me to be just like you. Sorry, my brother in Christ, that just ain't a gonna happen, we're individuals, sent out to different peoples and in different atmospheres.

My jest is native to my habitat in humanity, that is where the Lord has used me greatly to His Glory to cause those indifferent and opposed to themselves to see themselves in a different light than what they are in Jesus did that profuely, so don't effeminate Him, Jesus was a man, He is God.

Since you replied to me personally, your statement above contradicts what you are trying to say, be honest, and I won't have to point out your discrepencies as almost a lie. Why else would you try to hinder me from going to ACBRM? They need a Gospel message, one birthed in the heart anmd not in the mind, They need the truth about how to be saved just as you or I did. Many came to the altar Tuesday night, I didn't even "get in their way" to either prevent them or give them a false hope. I gave them my testimony of how the Lord saved me. Brother Christopher preached about 20 minutes and I gave the invitation. I asked those in the discipleship program to simply come pray with those in the altar, I never once saw anyone asked to "repeat after me, just pray this prayer". Did anyone get saved? I do believe so, but since I just came this once and would not be around them enough to help them along the way, I suggested they get with those at the mission for further help. I never give anyone a false sense of hope, I'd rather they seek the Truth any and everytime doubts might asail, giving the Lord ample opportunity to confirm or convert from deception.

Good Day

 

[Scott J]

Originally posted by QuickeningSpirit:
Indifference, yes. You are judging my behaviour, yet you don't understand, that's fine, but you react the same way, just in an indifferent attitude, I suppose.

I don't think so. Please demonstrate how I am either indifferent or reacting in the same way as you.

I don't associate with the "brethren" and let them hinder my calling. If it requires going into the devil's den to pull them out of the fire and the Lord so leads, just put on your armour and let's charge the gates of hell together!

Praise God. But you mentioned a place in a seemingly boastful way. What other use was there for the insertion of your preaching at that place? Why in the middle of a Bible versions debate did you feel compelled to tell your opponent this information? Were you trying to insenuate that you were better than him? More holy?

That may not have been your intent but it was the message I perceived. Based on that, I supplied context concerning the place you were going to. Going to a bar would be better than going to a place that teaches a false brand of salvation while calling themselves fundamental Baptists. The NT teaches more compassion for the ignorant lost than those who are willfully in error.

You would not understand this, it is obvious, but your opinion is misleading and WRONG.

Which opinion are you referring to in this case?

You seem to say I demand others to be like me, but all the while you demand me to be just like you.

Not at all. You can believe anything you like but when you call it "truth" or preach it as doctrine or promote it to folks who don't know any better or attempt in any way to propigate the error- I believe it is important to oppose you. I don't agree with many people on "this side" of the debate about the NIV and various other versions and ideas. However, their ideas are not contrary to scripture and the are factually/rationally supportable.

Sorry, my brother in Christ, that just ain't a gonna happen, we're individuals, sent out to different peoples and in different atmospheres.

Maybe. But you might be surprised how much alike we may be.

My jest is native to my habitat in humanity,

If I read you right here, you might be interested to know that I grew up in the Smokey Mtns of western NC and have lived in Georgia, NC, and SC as an adult. I know both the culture of southern society and south-dwelling Baptists.

that is where the Lord has used me greatly to His Glory to cause those indifferent and opposed to themselves to see themselves in a different light than what they are in Jesus did that profuely, so don't effeminate Him, Jesus was a man, He is God.

I can't really understand this passage. I have no doubts about Jesus' masculinity nor His true divinity and true humanity.

I am not opposed to the Gospel when you or anyone else preaches it. There are even people saved at Billy Graham crusades though I doubt the thousands that they claim even more confidently than I doubt the claims of King's Way or the FBC of Hammond.

Since you replied to me personally, your statement above contradicts what you are trying to say, be honest, and I won't have to point out your discrepencies as almost a lie.

I responded to personally because of your personal behavior. I have confronted you as best as I know how in a biblical way. Demonstrating from scripture that your attitude here is not Christlike. I am not doing it to hurt you but simply to point out what you might not recognize in yourself.

I certainly hope you wouldn't use the approach you do having considered how others would receive it.

Please show me these discrepancies. An open rebuke is definitely better than a secret love. If I am wrong then I would like the opportunity to make it right. If you have misunderstood then I would like an opportunity to explain further so that on this we can reconcile. I have failed many times to have a proper spirit on the BB. For the past several weeks, God has been convicting me about some areas of my life including this one. If you are truly concerned for me then I would count your honesty as a loving rather than hateful act.

Why else would you try to hinder me from going to ACBRM?

Because as a Baptists and fundamentalist we should separate from those who pervert the doctrines of the Bible... and none is more important than the doctrine of God's grace.

They need a Gospel message, one birthed in the heart anmd not in the mind, They need the truth about how to be saved just as you or I did.

True but would you go into a UMC church or RCC church showing passive consent to their doctrines and preach? A little error or alot of error... Satan uses both as tools.

Did anyone get saved? I do believe so, but since I just came this once and would not be around them enough to help them along the way, I suggested they get with those at the mission for further help. I never give anyone a false sense of hope, I'd rather they seek the Truth any and everytime doubts might asail, giving the Lord ample opportunity to confirm or convert from deception.

Praise God!!! I hope they were saved and I exhort you to take on the responsibility of their discipling... with the love and compassion of Christ.

 

[Precepts]

I don't think so. Please demonstrate how I am either indifferent or reacting in the same way as you.

That may not have been your intent but it was the message I perceived.

See, you're guilty. You read something into my post that wasn't there. I was relating directly to another thread to that particular person

Going to a bar would be better than going to a place that teaches a false brand of salvation while calling themselves fundamental Baptists.

I had already "heard" of their practice of EB, but that doesn't keep me from preaching truth, maybe you would have been better offf to ask me first, or at least in a PM, your comment is slanderous gossip either way. I would hope you have proof and not just what you heard. Honestly, I do not know this thing to be fact, but I do preach against EB, but it is Easy to Believe in Jesus, so don't make it hard for some body to get saved.

Which opinion are you referring to in this case?

Uh, YOURS!

are factually/rationally supportable.

wrong facts wrong assumptions, wrongly supported

Maybe. But you might be surprised how much alike we may be.

No, I wouldn't, but I'm sure you are uglier than me, I'm just too goodlooking for anything else to be the case

I am not opposed to the Gospel when you or anyone else preaches it. There are even people saved at Billy Graham crusades though I doubt the thousands that they claim even more confidently than I doubt the claims of King's Way or the FBC of Hammond.

Right there is one place we differ, I don't keep track of all the garbage, I let the garbage man carry that off on Tuesday morings, but I guess somebody's got to do it.

I certainly hope you wouldn't use the approach you do having considered how others would receive it.

We're in a debate forum, no holds barred. I am quite good at agitating people, wouldn't you say? Agitation does either of two things, it either gives some one a satiracle view of themselves or it reveals an angry spirit that must be dealt with.

An open rebuke is definitely better than a secret love. If I am wrong then I would like the opportunity to make it right. If you have misunderstood then I would like an opportunity to explain further so that on this we can reconcile. I have failed many times to have a proper spirit on the BB. For the past several weeks, God has been convicting me about some areas of my life including this one. If you are truly concerned for me then I would count your honesty as a loving rather than hateful act.

Good, I'm glad we both see God is not through working on us. Your response does enough to make any reconcilation and I consideer anything prior settled, but please don't react too harshly when I jest. I will follow your lead to be more sensitive. I lead into some pretty threatening situations. The other night at ACBRM I was led to say to 150 black men that Louis Ferachan, it I spelt it right, though I don't know much about the man, Jesus will get you to Heaven, Farachan? will take you straight to hell! My! what a reaction! But I knew the Lord had me to say it, MLK was left alone, I didn't have that liberty

Because as a Baptists and fundamentalist we should separate from those who pervert the doctrines of the Bible... and none is more important than the doctrine of God's grace.

Exactly! That's why I preach the devil out of them and don't hang around enough to fellowship, too much question and I don't believe in starting a fight in enemy territory with out enough back up, I know when to stand aND WHEN TO AVOID THE CONFRONTATION, sorry about the caps.

True but would you go into a UMC church or RCC church showing passive consent to their doctrines and preach?

Nope! But I'd certainly preach. I almost got run off a job in a catholic church once because I questioned the black janitor about why Mary didn't know where Jesus was at 12 when He was back amazing the "scholars"

Praise God!!! I hope they were saved and I exhort you to take on the responsibility of their discipling... with the love and compassion of Christ.

Praise the Lord! I'd love to! But they are nearly 60 miles from here and my wife and 4 kids wouldn't put up with my bringing one of them hiome with me. Also, the Lord really saving a man, though in the alleged situation of EB, will understand Truth and not be led astray. If I get the opportunity to, I will go back soon, but for now I am involved more with the Gainesville City Baptist Rescue Mission.

Go to go, taking my "Honey" to the Valetines banquet at the Blue Willow

 

[Johnv]

I almost got run off a job in a catholic church once because I questioned the black janitor about why Mary didn't know where Jesus was at 12 when He was back amazing the "scholars"

 

[Precepts]

Luke 2:41 ¶ Now his parents went to Jerusalem every year at the feast of the passover.
42 And when he was twelve years old, they went up to Jerusalem after the custom of the feast.
43 And when they had fulfilled the days, as they returned, the child Jesus tarried behind in Jerusalem; and Joseph and his mother knew not of it.
44 But they, supposing him to have been in the company, went a day’s journey; and they sought him among their kinsfolk and acquaintance.
45 And when they found him not, they turned back again to Jerusalem, seeking him.
46 And it came to pass, that after three days they found him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the doctors, both hearing them, and asking them questions.
47 And all that heard him were astonished at his understanding and answers.
48 And when they saw him, they were amazed: and his mother said unto him, Son, why hast thou thus dealt with us? behold, thy father and I have sought thee sorrowing.
49 And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father’s business?


Uh, Jesus in the temple, and Mary, who the catholics say is the mother of God, didn't know where her own son was.

The question I asked the guy was if Mary was who they said she was, then why didn't she know where He was and what He was doing?

His reply was I had best just leave if I knew what was good for me and had alot of nerve to ask a question like that in their church.

Ooooo! I was Scared! I thought they might throw holy water on me or somethin'.

I told him that ought to be proof enough, Jesus is the One they should be looking to, not Mary, she had to get saved just like any other sinner, his excuse for the mother of God was he said she wasn't "glorified" yet.

Oh, well, when they are in such error, why not tell them the truth? I know, I know, I offended the guy, but he asked me if I needed to take advantage of being at their church, the priest was in the confessional and now would be a good time to pay homage. I told him I didn't need their priest My High Priest is Jesus Christ. He didn;t like that much either.

Since then I found out to approach catholics with the info that they can have a personal relationship with Christ, that usually catches theur attention and breaks down their defensive.

That is what I was talking about, it happened several years ago, about 10.

 

[ScottEmerson]

Isn't it strange to note that the only people CHrist ever offended were those who were extra-religious. We don't see any other group who He ever offended. He loved them, and that is all that it took, really. He met them where they were and showed them love, through talking to them, healing them, and showing them who God was.

So pardon me if I don't go around offending people. I'd rather show them what true love is, and who the author of love is.

 

[Precepts]

Well,sorry man, you seem to think I go around offending people, but I see through that and see you are just simply trying to put me down and lift yourself up. What a disgrace.

The fact is Truth offends people who believe lies.

Jesus was very offensive to even lost people at times. You don't believe the pharisees and the scribes were saved do you?

 

[rsr]

Well,sorry man, you seem to think I go around offending people, but I see through that and see you are just simply trying to put me down and lift yourself up. What a disgrace.

The fact is Truth offends people who believe lies.

Yes, but it's also a fact that lies often offend people who believe the truth.

 

[Precepts]

Another vague and incoherent post by rsr. Maybe I should start posting his statements into my word pad to list a few quotes to enlighten the soul of his fogginess.

 

[Orvie]

Originally posted by QuickeningSpirit:
Another vague and incoherent post by rsr. Maybe I should start posting his statements into my word pad to list a few quotes to enlighten the soul of his fogginess.

qs can dish it out, but can't take it. The pot calls the kettle black.

 

[Charles Meadows]

Originally posted by QS:

Well,sorry man, you seem to think I go around offending people, but I see through that and see you are just simply trying to put me down and lift yourself up. What a disgrace.

The fact is Truth offends people who believe lies.


Man, you don't have to be so defensive! How about just, "Sorry I don't agree".

And yes Jesus did offend the Pharisees and He meant to I'd say! Why? Because they did not have pure hearts. They had fidelity to their religious doctrines but not love for their fellow men!! Because we're all human we have tendencies to do the same. I think Jesus would not be particularly pleased with me if I as a Christian went around saying, "Your NIV bible is evil, your music is of the devil, your doctrine of baptism is heretical, you don't dress right for church, you don't believe this or that correctly...blah blah blah." We do need to stand for the Gospel - but we must be Christ-like as well.

QS - if you respond to this will you do so without calling me Charlie, making chicken of the sea references, or anything of the like!

 

[Precepts]

QS - if you respond to this will you do so without calling me Charlie, making chicken of the sea references, or anything of the like!

O.K. Charles, I'm sorry you're so easily offended. Next time I won't try to make light of the discussion and look for your feelings stretched out all over cyberspace.

 

[Precepts]

Originally posted by Orvie:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by QuickeningSpirit:
Another vague and incoherent post by rsr. Maybe I should start posting his statements into my word pad to list a few quotes to enlighten the soul of his fogginess.

qs can dish it out, but can't take it. The pot calls the kettle black. </font>[/QUOTE]Just a quick note for all you inward man clerics: I have yet to accuse a one of you of not loving your brethren, or not loving sinners as well, so go figure.

RSR can check his scroll if he wishes, and others as well.

 

[Precepts]

I think that you are apparently playing by yourself, since you are the only one I've ever seen who has disagreed with John's word choice here. I've never read anything to the contrary, heard anything to the contrary, or seen anything to the contrary - only when you started posting have I ever seen someone say that dakruo doesn't mean what it's supposed to mean.

I haven't disagreed with John's word choice , I haven't questioned the inspiration by the Holy Spirit. I simply looked at the passage and easily deduced the compassionate weeping of Jesus and the nearly extreme level of unbelief in John 11. Why are you having such a hard time in doing so? Is your knowledge of Greek become a stumblingblock to you? I would have to say so, since it is your defintion that is gone astray to the theme and consistency according to the flow of the passage. That is why I have asked why you remain in leftfield? Maybe you do need an mv, your understanding of Elizabethan English is in dire straits.

I see the same stone of stumbling in regards to the direct contradiction to the theme and of the flow of Genesis 5-6 to try and conclude the "sons of God" are angels mating with daughters of men.

PURE LUNACY! Literacy gone awol. Rules of literature trashed by dogmatic defining of words and passages when the entire Bible has multitudes, and the Spirit's use thereof, of metaphors.