Part 2: OK... I still have these nagging questions:

[Amy.G]

Then you should read. It has been answered repeatedly by several different people.

Of course, npetreley turns around and lies about it, then a few others jump on the bandwagon.

I was asking Mike Berzins.

I don't recall your answer either, HoG. Could you refresh my memory?

 

[npetreley]

I have answered it. There is no point in discipline/chastisement after death. The whole purpose of discipline is to change the direction of the child. When you spank your child it's not just a punishment like a prison sentence is it? Aren't you trying to stop that child from making the same bad choice again? You want that child to stop and think before he disobeys you again, right? Discipline is for shaping the will of the child and conforming his will to your will. This is why we are disciplined by God, for our will to be conformed to His will.
But once we die, the conforming is over. We are at once in the presence of the Lord where there is NO sin and NO temptation TO sin. What would be the purpose of God disciplining you to conform your will to His, when there is no more possibility of sin and rebelliouness? That makes God a punisher instead of a loving Father.

Good answer, Amy.

 

[webdog]

(Mr. Roger's voice)

Can you say "retarded"? I KNEW you could boys and girls.:wavey:

Can you say: "Poor taste"? :tear: Being retarded is not something to joke about.

 

[Accountable]

That makes God a punisher instead of a loving Father.

?????

So I am to understand that God, being just and loving, never punishes (chastises) His children?

I believe through His chastisement of us He is showing us His love.

 

[Accountable]

Then one salvation it is.

You say there is but one salvation in the entire Bible.

Please show me how this verse proves salvation by grace and not works and tell us all how it deals with receiving the gift of God, eternal life.

I Timothy 2: 13-15

13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.

14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

I have plenty more salvation verses I would love for you to shed "light" on how they deal with the one salvation you speak of but we will first see if your answer indeed proves salvation by grace and not works for eternal life is in view here or maybe we will see that you do indeed believe there are more than one salvation in the Bible.

 

[npetreley]

I was asking Mike Berzins.

I don't recall your answer either, HoG. Could you refresh my memory?

The answer is as simple as:

1. Our own righteousness
2. The righteousness of Christ

Even though it's incredibly simple to answer this question, anyone want to take bets that you still won't get a refresher from HoG, or a new answer from any other MEer?

 

[Amy.G]

?????

So I am to understand that God, being just and loving, never punishes (chastises) His children?

I believe through His chastisement of us He is showing us His love.

To what end though? What is the purpose of His chastisement?

 

[npetreley]

To what end though? What is the purpose of His chastisement?

Huh? I don't recall you ever saying that God never chastises, only that God chastises with the purpose of correction, not punishment after it will do no good (such as the 1,000 years in hell).

 

[webdog]

Huh? I don't recall you ever saying that God never chastises, only that God chastises with the purpose of correction, not punishment after it will do no good (such as the 1,000 years in hell).

She didn't. The ME'ers have selective hearing. I find it funny he didn't respond to the entire post, but only a phrase at the end...

 

[Amy.G]

Huh? I don't recall you ever saying that God never chastises, only that God chastises with the purpose of correction, not punishment after it will do no good (such as the 1,000 years in hell).

Correct. Of course God chastises. The Bible makes it clear that God disciplines those that are His.
I just want Mike B. to answer why God disciplines.

 

[Accountable]

She didn't. The ME'ers have selective hearing. I find it funny he didn't respond to the entire post, but only a phrase at the end...

My point was this....
Amy says we make God a punisher and not a God of Love.

I say that Amy believes He is a punisher too.

I will not say that all here believe that he chastises though. If they did, they would be more careful with their testimony.

Who has the selective hearing?

 

[Amy.G]

My point was this....
Amy says we make God a punisher and not a God of Love.

I say that Amy believes He is a punisher too.

I will not say that all here believe that he chastises though. If they did, they would be more careful with their testimony.

Who has the selective hearing?

What is the PURPOSE of His chastisements?

Do you know? Or are you avoiding the question?

 

[Amy.G]

They all scatter when you ask the revealing questions.

 

[npetreley]

They all scatter when you ask the revealing questions.

Funny how that works, eh? They go postal (see my list of how they posted ad nauseum) otherwise. But ask a hard question and they flee.

 

[James_Newman]

Stay on the boat! Stay on the boat!

The gospel according to TCGreek.:laugh: (And Paul agrees!)

I don't mean to question anyones salvation, but I think some of these guys got off the boat a long time ago... :laugh:

 

[James_Newman]

I have answered it. There is no point in discipline/chastisement after death. The whole purpose of discipline is to change the direction of the child. When you spank your child it's not just a punishment like a prison sentence is it? Aren't you trying to stop that child from making the same bad choice again? You want that child to stop and think before he disobeys you again, right? Discipline is for shaping the will of the child and conforming his will to your will. This is why we are disciplined by God, for our will to be conformed to His will.
But once we die, the conforming is over. We are at once in the presence of the Lord where there is NO sin and NO temptation TO sin. What would be the purpose of God disciplining you to conform your will to His, when there is no more possibility of sin and rebelliouness? That makes God a punisher instead of a loving Father.

If what you say is true, then the most loving thing God could do would be kill us all now and get it over with. What would be the purpose of making his children suffer in this life when once we die everything is made all better and there is nothing coming that we must suffer for?

 

[James_Newman]

Can you say: "Poor taste"? :tear: Being retarded is not something to joke about.

Your right, it is an insult to retarded people to call the angry beaver retarded.

 

[James_Newman]

What is the PURPOSE of His chastisements?

Do you know? Or are you avoiding the question?

We had a whole thread on the very subject and I don't recall one person making a scriptural argument for the idea that God's chastening is only allowed for the purpose of correction.

1 Thessalonians 4:6 That no man go beyond and defraud his brother in any matter: because that the Lord is the avenger of all such, as we also have forewarned you and testified.

What is an avenger?

 

[lbaker]

I suggest we start another thread called something like "christians insulting other christians" and let this one be limited to making doctrinal arguments so we don't have to sift through all the insults to get to the "meat".

Les

 

[James_Newman]

I suggest we start another thread called something like "christians insulting other christians" and let this one be limited to making doctrinal arguments so we don't have to sift through all the insults to get to the "meat".

Les

Perhaps some formal debates without the peanut gallery constantly chiming in would be in order.