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Pastor Apologizes After Church Busybody Rebukes Nursing Mother

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Rockson

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Well I'll say this if the woman was in any sense a mature Christian they'd never do such a thing. Here's why....forget about the part here for a sec if it's moral or not. A mature Christian would never want to seek to bring offense among Christians and cause them to be upset taking away peace. Paul said we're not to consider that we live for ourselves, yes even in some things we think we have a right to do....if you know it's going to upset people then don't do it.

Be careful, however, that the exercise of your rights does not become a stumbling block to the weak. 1 Cor 8:9
 

carpro

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Ah. Yet another thread on the evils of women and what they do wrong.

Of course, she should be covered. That's a no-brainer.

But this thread...….just more of the same.

We've got plenty of threads concerning the evils of men and what they do wrong. Just saying...
 

Matt Black

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Except nothing evil was done by this woman....some of the posts on this thread on the other hand...
 

atpollard

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Yes, but also young enough to still be breastfed. It's up to the mother not you when she stops.

Equally, I presume from what you're saying about the age of the baby being relevant that you'd be totally fine with a new born being breastfed uncovered.
Actually, it was a direct response to a point you raised:

"If they need feeding every two to three hours, yes. If they're old enough to eat chicken then chances are they don't"

... So THIS baby did NOT need to be fed every 2 hours at 1 year old and THIS baby should have been eating solid food at 1 year old (a direct response to your points).

Now to answer your new question:
... you'd be totally fine with a new born being breastfed uncovered.

A little reading suggests that breastfeeding uncovered may be slightly better for the baby (that would need to be checked against a more reliable source to establish it as a fact) but whatever the case, I acknowledge that some (or even many) mothers would prefer to breastfeed without a cover. That is completely their right. However, society in general, and Christians in particular, are called to modesty and a woman opening her shirt in public to expose her mammary glands to the world is not modest. When a place is available for her to breastfeed with some privacy and maintain her modesty, the appropriate thing to do is for her to avail herself of such facilities. When she fails to do so in church, it is completely appropriate for one of the older women to correct and instruct her. That is what God commands in scripture, is it not?

Now I also acknowledge that there are times and locations where such an ideal situation is not possible. A ten hour plane ride with an infant needing feeding every two hours comes to mind. In such situations, which are the exception rather than the rule, a small cover as a nod to both discretion and modesty hardly seems like an inappropriate burden to ask to avoid public nudity.

Along the same line as breastfeeding being "natural", there are those who find clothing too stifling and prefer to abandon all garments and live as nature intended. Yet neither society nor the law recognizes all of society as being "clothing optional" and to expose oneself in the presence of children is a very serious crime in many places. Thus God and society recognize the importance of a minimum standard of modesty and female full frontal nudity, whatever the reason, generally violates that standard.

That is what I think.
 

Matt Black

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Then you're still falling into the misogynistic trap of sexualising breastfeeding. Simple response: the mother doesn't need to cover up; you need to look away. If you can't do that then you have a serious problem
 

Matt Black

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Take that up with Scarlett. I have seen no one else here classify it as evil. And I'm pretty sure she was being facetious.
You've already taken up the mantra of it being evil so the point is rightly addressed to you:
We've got plenty of threads concerning the evils of men and what they do wrong. Just saying...
So you've endorsed the 'evil' comment
 

carpro

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You've already taken up the mantra of it being evil so the point is rightly addressed to you: So you've endorsed the 'evil' comment

It always catches me by surprise when someone here makes such a blatantly false statement.

But considering the source, I really shouldn't be surprised at all.

Since it appears you are prone to drawing wild conclusions about innocent statements, I'll make it just as clear for you as I possibly can.

READY? Pay attention, now....

I didn't say what the woman did was "evil" and do not believe it was. Clear enough?
 
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atpollard

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Then you're still falling into the misogynistic trap of sexualising breastfeeding. Simple response: the mother doesn't need to cover up; you need to look away. If you can't do that then you have a serious problem
Since you are so intent on passing judgement on me, then I request a biblical justification for public nudity while breastfeeding not being immodest. [Or a retraction of your unsupported charges.]
 

Matt Black

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It always catches me by surprise when someone here makes such a blatantly false statement.

But considering the source, I really shouldn't be surprised at all.
I've adduced the evidence which is in front of your very eyes, and your pathetic and egregious ad hominem can't distract from that
 

Matt Black

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It always catches me by surprise when someone here makes such a blatantly false statement.

But considering the source, I really shouldn't be surprised at all.
I've adduced the evidence which is in front of your very eyes, and your pathetic and egregious ad hominem can't distract from that
 

Matt Black

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Since you are so intent on passing judgement on me, then I request a biblical justification for public nudity while breastfeeding not being immodest. [Or a retraction of your unsupported charges.]
Breastfeeding is not and never has been 'public nudity': it is our over-sexualized and worldly western culture that has deemed it so. Sad that some Christians here have fallen for its lies
 

Matt Black

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It always catches me by surprise when someone here makes such a blatantly false statement.

But considering the source, I really shouldn't be surprised at all.

Since it appears you are prone to drawing wild conclusions about innocent statements, I'll make it just as clear for you as I possibly can.

READY? Pay attention, now....

I didn't say what the woman did was "evil" and do not believe it was. Clear enough?
Thank you for your edited retraction. I in turn withdraw my allegation. Hopefully now we can move on
 

Aaron

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That's a pretty gross viewpoint

And that is downright perverted

[ETA I mean, what the actual heck?!]

LOL. And here is Saint Matthew the Pure, virtue signaling in defiance of nature, credulity, intellectual honesty, and the testimony of Scripture, that he is not the least bit titillated (pun intended) at the sight of a hottie nursing a child. (Note: You ain't foolin' anyone, sinner.)

And he further asserts that it is quite within the realm of decorum in Christian worship that activities from which any 100% red blooded male should avert his eyes occur openly in the gathering of saints.

You Feminists need to get real.
 

Benjamin

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I went on an airplane where 2 women sat next to me in the row. They looked maybe from India and wore some very traditional looking clothing and jewelry. Soon after takeoff the one sitting next to me uncovered and started nursing her baby. She didn’t seem to think much of it and wasn’t very concerned about covering. I was a little embarrassed but chalked it up to the culture and figured and told myself it was natural. She juggled that baby around pretty openly the whole trip. The stewardess was watching closely at first and seemed pretty concerned, once she came up with a towel and placed it near the mother’s chest but the mother looked annoyed at the gesture and just removed it. The stewardess looked at me with concern a few times but I just looked back at her with an inconspicuous shrug reassuring her that it wasn’t a big deal and I think that was a relief to her. Actually, the only things that really bothered me is that I had to focus on keeping my head and eyes turned away the whole trip …that, and to be honest, the fact that mother’s muscle tone was pretty poor for a woman her age and in my strong opinion about physical standards she obviously needed to workout. :Roflmao
 

Matt Black

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LOL. And here is Saint Matthew the Pure, virtue signaling in defiance of nature, credulity, intellectual honesty, and the testimony of Scripture, that he is not the least bit titillated (pun intended) at the sight of a hottie nursing a child. (Note: You ain't foolin' anyone, sinner.)

And he further asserts that it is quite within the realm of decorum in Christian worship that activities from which any 100% red blooded male should avert his eyes occur openly in the gathering of saints.

You Feminists need to get real.
Quit with the misogynism and ad hominems

Right. Now.
 
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