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Pastor Joel Osteen

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Paul33

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Amazing.

He is so afraid to use words like sin, disbelief, repentance.

However, I watched him on tv a few weeks ago and was shocked when I heard him use the "r" word.

He is such a shallow, pathetic speaker it amazes me that 30,000 attend Lakewood Church. Can someone tell me why so many people go there?
 
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Bro Tony

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Paul33 said:
He is such a shallow, pathetic speaker it amazes me that 30,000 attend Lakewood Church. Can someone tell me why so many people go there?
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Because we live in the time when people want their ears tickled. We live in such a me centered generation, that as long as someone stays "positive" and a person can leave the service feeling better about how they are thinking and living, that is what the majority wants. Even if the way they are living is more about themselves then the Lord.

Bro Tony
 
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webdog

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Paul33 said:
Amazing.

He is so afraid to use words like sin, disbelief, repentance.

However, I watched him on tv a few weeks ago and was shocked when I heard him use the "r" word.

He is such a shallow, pathetic speaker it amazes me that 30,000 attend Lakewood Church. Can someone tell me why so many people go there?
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...because it's going to "church" without going to Church. Everyone wants to hear how rich God wants them to be, and to think that their very words control God into doing what we say... :rolleyes:
 
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TheRev

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The fact that 30,000 people flock to hear him is a solid rebuke to the shallowness of the Christian faith that is so prevalent in our day.
 
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Plain Old Bill

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God has no grandchildren. Joel may not know that.Joel while very charismatic and charming needs to go to Bible college and seminary.While he is very motivational he is no preacher.Preachers preach the Gospel.

I think Marcia has him pegged just right.
 
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paidagogos

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Internal contradictions

Bible John said:
As much as I disagree with Osteen and the Emergent movement, I will give Osteen a high five for at least promoting unity, which seems to be terribly lacking in fundamentalism, and as shown in this board.

I will not promote Osteen on my web ministry CERM, however I do give him credit for promoting unity. Fundamentalists for the most part divide against everyone and everything.

No wonder that pastor in Washington has chosen seperation. I bet he has asked for help before, and gotten slammed or ignored.



John
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This is a self-contradictory post. It preaches unity and practices division. By slamming Fundamentalism, it alienates Fundamentalists.

I would ask this poster: What is your basis for unity? Scripture is clear that two cannot walk together except they agree.
 
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paidagogos

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Bible John said:
On this we can agree.

Osteen may be ignorantly in error.

And honeslty do you really think his IQ is all that above average? Osteen may lack the brain of a John MacArthur, and perhaps his college GPA shows this. I rememebr him once talking about it. However he only spoke about it once.

But honestly the bible and theology are very very complicated. No wonder we have so many different denominations,etc.. Not eveyrone that goes astray does so on purpose. Some just lack the brains to comprehend material, and this does not mean that they do not try to understand.

I'll bet you a dollar that Osteen's IQ is not all that above average. I'll also bet that Osteen could spend a thousand hours trying to understand something that MacArthur would have figured out in a hour.

MacArthur and othes like him have high IQ's. Osteen does not. I do not, and many other ministers do not.


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If I bet with you, I would win your dollar. What do you think IQ is? How do you measure it? What does it mean? After all, what is intelligence? One may paint a masterpiece and may not be able to understand calculus or quantum physics. Or, one may be a whiz at Fourier transforms and partial derivatives but he cannot match his clothes. This discussion of Osteen's IQ or intelligence goes nowhere.

After all, God does not hold us accountable for our intelligence. He holds us accountable for our words and deeds. It's what Mr. Osteen is doing and preaching that is questionable.
 
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Jamal5000

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Olsteen Troubles Me.

I think that he speaks articulately and presents a positive approach...but I don't see some of his ideas in the Bible as he talks about them.

I believe a preacher does best by expounding on the WORD rather than talking AT the the word. Olsteen speaks good "God" talk, but he rarely highlights sin and repentence as his key points.

Troubling...
 
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mcdirector

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Plain Old Bill said:
snip . . .Joel while very charismatic and charming needs to go to Bible college and seminary. While he is very motivational he is no preacher. Preachers preach the Gospel. . . . snip
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This is exactly what he needs. It might not change what he says or how he says it, because he does have to profess Jesus as Lord and not just a money machine. But it would be an excellent start.
 
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Paul33

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Do you really think Olsteen is "motivational?"

I find his content syrupy and redundant. I find his style lyrical. He comes across to me as inauthentic and polyannish.

Is he "motivational" because people like upbeat, nonjudgmental platitudes?

I find nothing in his style, content or demeanor that motivates me.
 
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Marcia

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Paul33 said:
Do you really think Olsteen is "motivational?"

I find his content syrupy and redundant. I find his style lyrical. He comes across to me as inauthentic and polyannish.

Is he "motivational" because people like upbeat, nonjudgmental platitudes?

I find nothing in his style, content or demeanor that motivates me.
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He's Motivational -- capital "M" -- in the sense this word is being used today by Motivational Speakers and Seminars (upbeat, "you can do anything," keep positive and all will be well," "the power is within you," "God wants you to succeed and be happy," etc.) that teach people to use techniques to succeed. Not motivational - little "m" -- in the sense you mean.
 
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mcdirector

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We aren't dancing at all! We are Baptist after all! What in the world are you guys thinking!?! :tongue3:

We are waiting around at our son's rehearsal dinner for his future MIL to get there. Poor thing got lost and was an hour late. I am adoringly looking at my sweet husband of oh so many years, saying, "breathe dear, breathe."

Now you've got me thinking, if we look like we are dancin', perhaps I need to go look for another pix again . . .
 
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mcdirector

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Paul,

I don't think Osteen is motivational in all. The only thing he motivates me to do is change the channel. I do think, though, that he falls into that realm of speaker. He's certainly not a preacher. I don't think he's blatantly fraudulent like some. Of course, I could be wrong.

We have to call what he does something. Perhaps we could come up with a new category.
 
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Ciela

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McDirector,

That is an adorable picture! cute tongue-in-cheek caption--"We aren't dancing... We are Baptist after all!"

Oops, sorry. I seriously completely overlooked where this thread is located--that it is in the Baptist-Only part of the forum.

Ciela
 
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Paul33

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mc,

I'm going to stick to the dancing interpretation. It's much more fun! Besides, I know dancing when I see it!
 
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