Paul to the Greeks.

[Jacob59]

Could a person be saved today by preaching the gospel they were preaching in luke 9.6 ?

Certainly not.

If the Hebrew/Aramaic preached to them were translated into English, you as a modern Gentile would no clue how to respond in faith.

 

[canadyjd]

Yes, thereby it appears crucial to expect others to say anything about Jesus to be worded "just right.".....

You were speaking about Paul and scripture, not Jesus, though I won’t apologize for wanting professing Christians to be able to articulate the essentials of our faith particularly as it pertains to our Lord Jesus Christ.

Thank you for clarifying that you consider Paul’s writings to be Holy Spirit inspired Word of God.

You have made several references to Pastors, preaching, congregations, including the statement in this thread about “imaginary speculations.... parroted by gullible people”.

I’ll ask again, could you give a couple of examples so we can understand what you mean by “imaginary speculations” and “gullible people”?

peace to you

 

[Jacob59]

Sin nature. Which verse?

From where would endemic sin come other than from a nature? Try to research Paul's Old Man of Sin.

 

[Barry Johnson]

Certainly not.

If the Hebrew/Aramaic preached to them were translated into English, you as a modern Gentile would no clue how to respond in faith.

And if they understood could they be saved ?

 

[Barry Johnson]

From where would endemic sin come other than from a nature? Try to research Paul's Old Man of Sin.

Just this phrase that gets sermonised to death as if there's a verse that says it ? hmmm?

 

[Barry Johnson]

From where would endemic sin come other than from a nature? Try to research Paul's Old Man of Sin.

' endemic sin ' there's another .

 

[Barry Johnson]

Certainly not.

If the Hebrew/Aramaic preached to them were translated into English, you as a modern Gentile would no clue how to respond in faith.

How could a person today ,respond in faith to a gospel that has no death , burial and resurrection?

 

[Barry Johnson]

How could a person today ,respond in faith to a gospel that has no death , burial and resurrection?

From where would endemic sin come other than from a nature? Try to research Paul's Old Man of Sin.

I prefer the scriptures .

 

[Jacob59]

You were speaking about Paul and scripture, not Jesus, though I won’t apologize for wanting professing Christians to be able to articulate the essentials of our faith particularly as it pertains to our Lord Jesus Christ.

Thank you for clarifying that you consider Paul’s writings to be Holy Spirit inspired Word of God.

You have made several references to Pastors, preaching, congregations, including the statement in this thread about “imaginary speculations.... parroted by gullible people”.

I’ll ask again, could you give a couple of examples so we can understand what you mean by “imaginary speculations” and “gullible people”?

peace to you

You are welome.

Indeed Paul's writings are inspired, recorded, preserved, transmitted, translated, and published by the hand and miracle of God. That does not mean all of Paul's doctrine was dictated by God. Peter specifically relegated them to "wisdom."

Wisdom is to be considered, Commands from God are to be frightfully carried out. Besides that, Paul talked way to much to say basic to thoughts. Jesus speaking the very Word of God never over spoke a word. Not one time.

Paul even admitted he once over preached so much, a kid fell asleep and crashed out of the window to his death. Then Paul had to heal him to cover error. Paul could not follow Proverbs 20:19 as did Jesus every time He spoke.

 

[Barry Johnson]

Certainly not.

If the Hebrew/Aramaic preached to them were translated into English, you as a modern Gentile would no clue how to respond in faith.

No Gentile was being presented with that Gospel in luke 9.6 . Jesus commanded them not to . its Not until Acts 11 do we see a good news recieved by a gentile.

 

[canadyjd]

You are welome.

Indeed Paul's writings are inspired, recorded, preserved, transmitted, translated, and published by the hand and miracle of God. That does not mean all of Paul's doctrine was dictated by God.....

So, if inspired by Holy Spirit but not dictated by God, are there “doctrines” of Paul that Christians need not obey? If so.....

Surely there is a major teaching of Paul that you find particularly unsuitable for today’s Christian. Why don’t you tell us what it is?

peace to you

 

[Dave G]

Tell me how "each word" in Isaiah blesses you. Do you understand each word? I doubt it.

I understand quite a bit of God's precious word, my friend;
Though I did not always.
He is still showing me things I did not see the first 20 times.

But it's been a gradual thing coming to know all that He has done from me, since the foundation of the world.

For example, Isaiah 53 tells me of my Saviour and how He was to be stricken for the transgressions of His people ( Matthew 1:21 ).
I find it to be very comforting to know that the Lord Jesus was sent so that me and others like me would have an eternal relationship with Him and the Father ( John 17:2-3 ).

May He bless you greatly in your studies.

 

[Dave G]

If the Hebrew/Aramaic preached to them were translated into English, you as a modern Gentile would no clue how to respond in faith.

All of God's people respond in faith to His words ( John 8:43-47 ).
Abraham did, Jacob did, Isaac did, David did and everyone who is saved believes God's words, because they are God's words.

 

[AustinC]

I believe the OP struggles with the message in the gospels mainly due to the lack of understanding that God is a covenant making God. There is a message specifically to Israel in the Gospels. This message is directly aimed at the Sinai/Mosaic Covenant that is based entirely on the law, given to Israel. It is a Kingdom message whereby if Israel repents, the Kingdom will be restored. That message is not salvific in nature, but based in the legal requirements of the covenant God made with Moses and the people of Israel. That covenant was fulfilled and ended at the cross. Jesus/God paid the legal requirement of the law for sin. For whom did he pay this requirement? For all who would be saved by grace through faith.
Thus the New Covenant is established and the gospel of reconciliation by grace through faith is given to all humans who would believe.

It is imperative, then, that we understand God's covenants with men and God's words addressed to specific covenants. Our interpretation of scripture gets skewed and mishandled when we ignore or are ignorant of the covenants and their relationship to us as Christians. Paul, in many of his epistles, takes careful aim to help Christians understand God's covenants and how they apply to the believer. Galatians, in particular, addresses God's covenants. If you don't grasp this, you will never rightly divide what Paul is saying.
I encourage my brothers and sisters here to study the covenants of God with man. It will help clear up many misunderstandings.

 

[George Antonios]

Paul uses "haply" to specify how these Greek Gentiles would come to God if they "might feel after him, and find him" (vs. 27). Such a Divinely intentional use of this particular word, along with the phrase "might feel," disallows any kind of Soteriology to Gentiles involving incapacitated nonsentient thinking, predetermined election, limited atonement, or irresistible grace.

Yup. But the spin doctors will make it work, never fear.

 

[Scott Downey]

A clear distinction must be established between the Gospel spoken in Scripture to the Jews and the same Gospel spoken to Gentiles. The distinction lies with different language and imagery being used upon these two groups since each had their own world view.

Jesus spoke only the language of Law and Jewish heritage to His people, although there were indeed a few Gentiles to whom He ministered, such as the Greek Syrophoenician Woman, and the Centurion.

Being a Pharisee steeped in both Hebrew Theology and Greek culture, Paul correctly spoke to both groups. The Gentile Gospel is demonstrated in Acts 17 by his evangelism on Athenian Mars Hill. To them, Paul spoke nothing of sin, law, prophecy, sacrificial blood propitiation, spiritual rebirth, or discipleship. He spoke no parables. He did not speak the name of Jesus, and only referred to Him as "That Man." He even said God up until then had "winked" at their idolatry.

The significant point Paul demonstrated in vs. 27 concerning Soteriology to Gentiles is his use of the word asa, #686, translated KJV as "haply." Asa in Strong's is defined as "perhaps, from a conclusion, whether or not, if ever, lest somehow, by any means."

Paul uses "haply" to specify how these Greek Gentiles would come to God if they "might feel after him, and find him" (vs. 27). Such a Divinely intentional use of this particular word, along with the phrase "might feel," disallows any kind of Soteriology to Gentiles involving incapacitated nonsentient thinking, predetermined election, limited atonement, or irresistible grace. Perseverance is a seperate issue.

Praise God for allowing His Word to specify its own doctrine unto Gentiles. This marvelous power of the Gospel by God's Mercy unto the Gentiles in no manner conflicts with Paul's later statements showing corporate election upon the Church after individual rebirth and entry by adoption into the elected Kingdom takes place.

Tell me, is Paul talking about a potential salvation, or an actual salvation regarding these Thessalonians?

2 Thessalonians 2
13 But we are bound to give thanks to God always for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God from the beginning chose you for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth, 14 to which He called you by our gospel, for the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. 15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast and hold the traditions which you were taught, whether by word or our epistle.

16 Now may our Lord Jesus Christ Himself, and our God and Father, who has loved us and given us everlasting consolation and good hope by grace, 17 comfort your hearts and establish you in every good word and work.

 

[Yeshua1]

Tell me, is Paul talking about a potential salvation, or an actual salvation regarding these Thessalonians?

2 Thessalonians 2
13 But we are bound to give thanks to God always for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God from the beginning chose you for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth, 14 to which He called you by our gospel, for the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. 15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast and hold the traditions which you were taught, whether by word or our epistle.

16 Now may our Lord Jesus Christ Himself, and our God and Father, who has loved us and given us everlasting consolation and good hope by grace, 17 comfort your hearts and establish you in every good word and work.

same Jesus and same Gospel to both Jews and Gentiles!

 

[Jacob59]

You were speaking about Paul and scripture, not Jesus, though I won’t apologize for wanting professing Christians to be able to articulate the essentials of our faith particularly as it pertains to our Lord Jesus Christ.

Thank you for clarifying that you consider Paul’s writings to be Holy Spirit inspired Word of God.

You have made several references to Pastors, preaching, congregations, including the statement in this thread about “imaginary speculations.... parroted by gullible people”.

I’ll ask again, could you give a couple of examples so we can understand what you mean by “imaginary speculations” and “gullible people”?

peace to you

Hear them next Sunday morning. 50 minutes of preaching what Scripture says in a minute. Whose words are spoken in those other 49 minutes? The Preacher's? Yes?

 

[Jacob59]

Just this phrase that gets sermonised to death as if there's a verse that says it ? hmmm?

Lol. God's Word is a delight.

"The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astry as soon as they be born, speaking lies." Ps. 58:3.

 

[Jacob59]

' endemic sin ' there's another .

Yes, repetition of God's principles permeates Scripture for the seeking hearts.