PB's monergism vs. Reformed's monergism.

[Van]

In response to someone who did not get the sarcasm, I posted this:

1) I believe babies are condemned at conception because they are conceived in iniquity. Thus they were made sinners, even thought they have not done anything good or bad.

2) That is right, no where in scripture is a loop-hole for those who die without God placing them in Christ based on faith in the truth. Justice does not demand babies who have been made sinner, but have not sinned, to be punished. God's characteristic of holiness requires they remain separated from God because they are in an unholy sinful state and have not been washed by the blood of Jesus.

3) It is not "my system" but God's system which requires God to place individuals whose faith He has credited as righteousness in Christ to be made holy and blameless without blemish.

Scripture says we are saved by grace through faith. It is God who decides whether we believe, but if He credits our faith in Christ as righteousness, He saves us monergistically.

God is just and treats everyone, including the feeble-minded and toddlers justly.

Here are the facts, babies are conceived in iniquity. By the sin of the one, the many, including babies, were made sinners. Even though they have done nothing good or bad, they are condemned already because of unbelief. They are by nature, children of wrath. This is the only view consistent with all scripture. Calvinism denies this truth, saying God saves babies and the like by giving them faith via irresistible grace.

The truth of monergism is that God saves us, we do not save ourselves. But the mistaken views of PB and Reformed groups do not mesh with scripture.

 

[Thomas Helwys]

Then why do they name toilets, "The John"?:laugh:

Because it was predestined that they should. :laugh:

 

[Thomas Helwys]

Van, we all know you can't read so I'm not writing this to you but for the benefit of others. The topic of this thread is PB monergism vs. Calvinistic monergism. If you want to start a thread maybe it could be Finney's system of works righteousness vs. John Wesley's system of works righteousness. Then you, Winman, Thomas Helwys and others could discuss your crud there.

I believe there's something in the Bible about bearing false witness. Maybe there's a problem with your reading comprehension, huh?

Tell me, did Calvinism predetermine your nastiness, or was that an accident of birth?

 

[Yeshua1]

In response to someone who did not get the sarcasm, I posted this:

1) I believe babies are condemned at conception because they are conceived in iniquity. Thus they were made sinners, even thought they have not done anything good or bad.

2) That is right, no where in scripture is a loop-hole for those who die without God placing them in Christ based on faith in the truth. Justice does not demand babies who have been made sinner, but have not sinned, to be punished. God's characteristic of holiness requires they remain separated from God because they are in an unholy sinful state and have not been washed by the blood of Jesus.

3) It is not "my system" but God's system which requires God to place individuals whose faith He has credited as righteousness in Christ to be made holy and blameless without blemish.

Scripture says we are saved by grace through faith. It is God who decides whether we believe, but if He credits our faith in Christ as righteousness, He saves us monergistically.

God is just and treats everyone, including the feeble-minded and toddlers justly.

Here are the facts, babies are conceived in iniquity. By the sin of the one, the many, including babies, were made sinners. Even though they have done nothing good or bad, they are condemned already because of unbelief. They are by nature, children of wrath. This is the only view consistent with all scripture. Calvinism denies this truth, saying God saves babies and the like by giving them faith via irresistible grace.

The truth of monergism is that God saves us, we do not save ourselves. But the mistaken views of PB and Reformed groups do not mesh with scripture.

For the promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off, as many as the Lord our God will call to Himself.”
Acts 2:38

note the word is MANY, not ALL!

When the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord; and as many as had been appointed to eternal life believed.
Acts 13:47

Again, MANy not ALL!

Wow, Luke and john taught it!

 

[convicted1]

For the promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off, as many as the Lord our God will call to Himself.”
Acts 2:38

note the word is MANY, not ALL!

When the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord; and as many as had been appointed to eternal life believed.
Acts 13:47

Again, MANy not ALL!

Wow, Luke and john taught it!

Brother, you need to stop what you're doing. You're hurting those of your own ilk more than helping them.

Romans 5:14-19
14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.

16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.

17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

Remember, it says "MANY" and not "ALL"!!! Apostle Paul and John both taught it!! You need to give the steering wheel to someone else before you drive them all off a cliff.

 

[Yeshua1]

Brother, you need to stop what you're doing. You're hurting those of your own ilk more than helping them.




Remember, it says "MANY" and not "ALL"!!! Apostle Paul and John both taught it!! You need to give the steering wheel to someone else before you drive them all off a cliff.

a careeful reading of john and Acts though does support the viewpoint that God was calling out just certain sinners to be saved out, as the HS was at work to first save a faithful remant in israel among the Jews, and a remant out from among the gentiles 'for his namesake!"

 

[SovereignMercy]

a careeful reading of john and Acts though does support the viewpoint that God was calling out just certain sinners to be saved out, as the HS was at work to first save a faithful remant in israel among the Jews, and a remant out from among the gentiles 'for his namesake!"

These things we also speak, not in words which man's wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is rightly judged by no one. For "who has known the mind of the LORD that he may instruct Him?" But we have the mind of Christ.