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tragic_pizza

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Originally posted by DHK:
In the discussion of a cult we compare the said group with doctrine. It has been pointed out already some of the doctrine that make the Oneness a cult. Late me give it to you again:

baptismal regeneration
necesstiy of tongues for salvation
denial of justification of faith
must be a member of Oneness group to be saved, i.e. must be baptized by a Oneness pastor.
The denial of the sin nature of man
The denial of the trinity

These are enough to make any group a cult. They have gone far away from the orthodox teaching of the Bible. Their view of Christ has changed from the Bible's view. Their view of salvation is radically changed from the Bible's view. They are a cult.
DHK
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I'd like to hear this claim of yours that, in order to be saved in the Oneness theology, one must be a member of a Oneness congregation. This is most certainly not the impression I;ve gotten from MEE.

In any case, I would argue that yours is a similar departure from orthodoxy. Our directive from God is to love and serve Him, and from that love to grow an abiding love for all of His body.

"Fightin' Fundies" seem rarely to do this real work, electing rather to show Christ's love only to those who adhere to their own interpretation of Scripture. This interpretation, parenthetically, could be argued as "radically changed from the Bible's view" dependent upon one's interpretation of key Scriptures.

I wonder: in light of what Christ has said about how people will know we are His (loving one another), have you taken any time at all to try and find out where we agree? Or is it more importnat to exclude others from the Body of Christ than it is to include them?
 
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csmith

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Sure liked that joke. I even like jokes about those white people--even though I am one. I like skinny jokes too--I tell them all the time. Oh, I am skinny. I tell big nose jokes all the time too. You should see mine. Baptist jokes are good too. I am a Baptist

TP
Your defense of people against "mocking" has become a joke in itself.
 
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tragic_pizza

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Originally posted by csmith:
Sure liked that joke. I even like jokes about those white people--even though I am one. I like skinny jokes too--I tell them all the time. Oh, I am skinny. I tell big nose jokes all the time too. You should see mine. Baptist jokes are good too. I am a Baptist

TP
Your defense of people against "mocking" has become a joke in itself.
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Thanks for sharing that, csmith. Your constructive and insightful criticism is sure to improve my rhetoric in days to come.
 
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csmith

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TP said:

"Thanks for sharing that, csmith. Your constructive and insightful criticism is sure to improve my rhetoric in days to come."

This coming from someone whose ideals concerning fairness and sympathy have done nothing but dissolve constructive criticism in this thread.
 
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tragic_pizza

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Thank you. I appreciate that.

By the way, can you perhaps share with me some of the "constructive criticism" in this thread, and reference for me where, in Scripture, the Apostles, or even Christ, used such "constructive criticism" with other believers?
 
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csmith

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It is the sincerely held belief of many posters on this thread that modern day tongues speaking is not of God and is, therefore, an unfortunate heresy. Now, do you want me to show you in the Bible how the Apostles and Christ addressed heresy. Is that what you want tp? You have a Bible and it is littered with passages concerning false teachings. Look how Christ addressed the religiosity of the Pharisees. He called them vipers.

Modern day tongues speaking is a heresy. It is not my duty to then outline the false doctrine on this thread for your petty benefit. If you don't agree that it is a heresy--fine, but don't jump all over everyone else for mocking a heresy without proving that we are mocking in error. You are the one who needs to produce why we are wrong if you say we are in error. You can't do it. All you can do is play self-righteous and ask pointed questions that get you off the hook. I have never seen a poster so thin-skinned.
 
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tragic_pizza

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Nice response.

So it's OK to mock something because you beleive it's heresy? Your opinion of what is and is not heretical is the litmus test which makes it OK to laugh at and belittle others?

What a very interesting form of "Christianity."
 
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csmith

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Tragic_pizza said:
"Nice response."

Are you mocking my response? Do you really believe it was nice or was that just a joke?
 
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tragic_pizza

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Originally posted by csmith:
Do you ever make light of any thing or any person?
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I try not to, and fail miserably.

What I most definitely do not do, if I can help it, is use my particular set of theological beliefs as an excuse to hate people with another set of theological beliefs. The originating post of this thread, and all the "support" I've read for it since then, is utter hatred, bereft of any openness to understanding or commonality in Christ.

Had MEE or another practicing Pentecostal posted that joke, it would have been different. Had one of you Southern Baptists types posted a joke about Southern Baptists, it would have been different. Instead, it was a Baptist making fun of people he doesn't like, plain and simple, and pitiful.
 
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csmith

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Hate is an awful strong accusation--an inaccurate one as well.

I have many beloved relatives that are prone to charismatic heresies as "angelic languages" and bogus healing services, but I love them very much.

You, Mr. Pizza, have taken a simple joke to the level of hate--plain and simple and pitiful.
 
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MEE

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Originally posted by csmith:
Hate is an awful strong accusation--an inaccurate one as well.

I have many beloved relatives that are prone to charismatic heresies as "angelic languages" and bogus healing services, but I love them very much.
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Let me ask you a question csmith. In your opinion, do you think that your "beloved relatives" have salvation, due to the fact that they believe in "speaking in tongues" and that God still heals today?

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tamborine lady

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Csmith said:It is the sincerely held belief of many posters on this thread that modern day tongues speaking is not of God and is, therefore, an unfortunate heresy

My answer to that is this. It doesn't matter how many "scholars" say that, it still doesn't make it true. The following scripture points this out as far as I am concerned.

I doesn't matter how many people say tongues are gone, it's what the bible says that counts.

Sometimes it helps to read it with an open mind instead of with a preconceived idea.

Ex-23- 2 Thou shalt not follow a multitude to do evil; neither shalt thou speak in a cause to decline after many to wrest judgment:

Peace,

Tam
 
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csmith

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If my "beloved" relatives have fully trusted in the work of Christ through repentance and faith only, then they, like any other person have salvation.

MEE,
Did I express in an opinion somewhere that folks who have misinterpreted spiritual gifts cannot have salvation?
 
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