Pentecostal Man’s Glossolalia Echos NBA Rosters

[James_Newman]

So your saying that you have the supernatural ability to speak languages that you never learned, and other people can understand them? If that is the case, I apologize.

 

[tragic_pizza]

Originally posted by James_Newman:
So your saying that you have the supernatural ability to speak languages that you never learned, and other people can understand them? If that is the case, I apologize.

1 Corinthians 12:4-11 -

Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord. And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.

But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.

Apology accepted.

 

[James_Newman]

So why don't you tell me some of the things you have preached to unbelievers in other tongues that got them saved. That would be an awesome testimony.

 

[tragic_pizza]

Originally posted by James_Newman:
So why don't you tell me some of the things you have preached to unbelievers in other tongues that got them saved. That would be an awesome testimony.

Let's review:

You said this:

I was subjected to the pentacostal persuasion as a child and that stuff is of the devil. Making up a gift of the spirit and using it as a spiritual barometer, or worse yet, evidence of salvation. There is nothing biblical about it.

I insisted you prove that tongues is a made-up gift, or of the devil. You have yet to do so.

I have yet to make a claim having to do with preaching, or tongues, for that matter; rather I have challenged your dismissal thereof. It is obfuscative on your part to try and turn the debate from the matter at hand.

 

[Bro Tony]

Take that up with the person who posted that passage as a refutation of tongues.
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I would prefer those who use this verse to justify their "speaking in tongues" tell me how they do that with this passage (Acts 2).

Bro Tony

 

[James_Newman]

TP, you know exactly what the debate is, and I must say you wriggle around quite deftly, but you made the assertion that there is evidence for glossolalia in the bible. Just because you call it tongues does not make it so. Just because you get a warm feeling when you do it does not make it of God. Just because some old lady claims she understands what your saying doesn't mean she does. It is very convenient to have an untestable spirit around when we have a command to try the spirits. I'm not going to argue with you anymore on the subject. I will let you know that regardless of whatever gifts you may have been given, if your not using them to serve the Lord, your going to have to account for it at the judgment seat of Christ.

1Co 3:12-17
(12) Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
(13) Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
(14) If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
(15) If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
(16) Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
(17) If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

If 'speaking in tongues' helps you to live holy and keep God's commandments, then I suppose I have nothing against it. If your not keeping the Lord's commandments, of what use is it?

1Co 13:1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
1Co 13:2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
1Co 13:3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.

 

[tragic_pizza]

Hopefully, James, you've learned to be less dismissive in your judgement of things you don't understand.

 

[tragic_pizza]

Originally posted by Bro Tony:

Take that up with the person who posted that passage as a refutation of tongues.
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I would prefer those who use this verse to justify their "speaking in tongues" tell me how they do that with this passage (Acts 2).

Bro Tony

I would be astonded if anyone who speaks in tongues were able to justify it with just that passage. You see, my friend, no one was trying to justify speaking in tongues with that passage. Rather, someone was trying to refute speaking in tongues with that passage. Thus your preference is misdirected.

 

[Bro Tony]

I would be astonded if anyone who speaks in tongues were able to justify it with just that passage. You see, my friend, no one was trying to justify speaking in tongues with that passage. Rather, someone was trying to refute speaking in tongues with that passage. Thus your preference is misdirected.

That you would be astounded that someone would try does not negate the fact that many have. As they have tried to justify a prayer language from Romans 8:26. They have been used to reference these practices although neither verse teaches the practices. That someone was trying to refute does not keep me from adding to the discussion my concerns. If you don't want to deal with it or feel inadequate to do so, or hold the view that Acts 2 does not teach speaking in tongues, fine. That fact remains that others have.

Bro Tony

 

[tragic_pizza]

Originally posted by Bro Tony:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />I would be astonded if anyone who speaks in tongues were able to justify it with just that passage. You see, my friend, no one was trying to justify speaking in tongues with that passage. Rather, someone was trying to refute speaking in tongues with that passage. Thus your preference is misdirected.

That you would be astounded that someone would try does not negate the fact that many have. As they have tried to justify a prayer language from Romans 8:26. They have been used to reference these practices although neither verse teaches the practices. That someone was trying to refute does not keep me from adding to the discussion my concerns. If you don't want to deal with it or feel inadequate to do so, or hold the view that Acts 2 does not teach speaking in tongues, fine. That fact remains that others have.

Bro Tony </font>[/QUOTE]Well, I certainly do not feel the need to speak for "others;" perhaps these others will speak up.

I have spent this thread reacting to those who think it is Christlike to openly mock, or dismiss out-of-hand, people who (while adhereing to faith in Christ and the oh-so-Baptist insistence on full immersion believer's baptism) practice a different method of worship than do they.

Should you desire discussion in these matters, i will gladly participate.

 

[Lacy Evans]

Tragic,

Brother James is a former Charismatic. You rebuke him like he has no idea what your position is.

I graduated from Christ For The Nations Institute. I'm a holy rollin', tongue talkin', isle dancin' pentecostal third waver charismatic-of-the-charismatics from way back.

But we have a vocabulary problem. What we (charismatics) called "speaking in tongues" and what the Bible calls "speaking in tongues is not the same.

I have rejected the Charismatic movement. But not because I have embraced the idea of cessation of the gifts. You can be a non-cessationist and still not be a charismatic. Do I still believe folks can still talk in tongues? Sure. They can supernaturally recieve from God the ability to use a previously unknown (to them) language.

However the word "speak" in any stretch of definition implicitly implies that the "speaker" understands what he is saying. (Otherwise how does he "edify himself" or "give thanks well"?

There exists nowhere in literature or in the Bible an example of someone (in his right mind)who was said to be "speaking" but had no idea
of the meaning of the words he was speaking.

Tongues=gobberish=glossolalia is an oxymoron.

The stuff we did in Charismatic church was neither "speaking" nor "tongues". It was gibberish. It was also dangerous.

http://www.blessedquietness.com/journal/housechu/words.htm

Lacy

 

[tragic_pizza]

Lacy, I don't have a stated position on tongues. Please read the post above yours, then the one above Bro Tony's. My position on this thread is that mockery and angry, apparently unjustifiable dismissal is a less than Christian example.

 

[Bro Tony]

I have spent this thread reacting to those who think it is Christlike to openly mock, or dismiss out-of-hand, people who (while adhereing to faith in Christ and the oh-so-Baptist insistence on full immersion believer's baptism) practice a different method of worship than do they.

TP.

With this there is no need to discuss. You and I are in full agreement. Christians should be able to discuss methodogy and even doctrine without mocking one another.

Bro Tony

 

[Lacy Evans]

Tragic_Pizza,

When I was at CFNI we (Charismatics) joked among ourselves using phrases like "Shaunda stole the key to my Honda" (Say it fast) and "See Ty tie my bowtie" (No offense Bro. Bob.). It was light hearted, non-malicious and IMO not irreverent.

The funny thing about this thread is the truth of it. Chanting those NBA names would work. I know it would. I normally would take your side, I don't approve of meanness. But I'm sorry man, it is (sadly) funny because (If it is not true) it is absolutely plausable.

I guess you are right that it might hurt someone's feelings. (I would have thought it was funny.) Maybe too, it might force someone to think and "test the spirits".

lacy

 

[Lacy Evans]

 

[MEE]

Originally posted by tragic_pizza:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by MEE:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by James_Newman:
Acts 2:6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.

Question! What was noised abroad?

MEE

</font>[/QUOTE]What was "noised abroad" was the fact that this event was taking place. </font>[/QUOTE]What *EVENT* was happening, in the upperroom, that was noised abroad; that caused the multitude to come together?

Any comments?

MEE

 

[DHK]

Originally posted by MEE:
What *EVENT* was happening, in the upperroom, that was noised abroad; that caused the multitude to come together?

Any comments?

MEE

The feast was the passover. What makes you think that the "event" that took place, took place within the confines of the upper room? The Scripture doesn't say that it did.
DHK

 

[MEE]

Originally posted by DHK:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by MEE:
What *EVENT* was happening, in the upperroom, that was noised abroad; that caused the multitude to come together?

Any comments?

MEE

The feast was the passover. What makes you think that the "event" that took place, took place within the confines of the upper room? The Scripture doesn't say that it did.
DHK </font>[/QUOTE]OK, we'll call it a "house." Does that make you feel better? BTW, I'm not talking about the feast. I'm referring to what happened during "The Day of Pentecost/feast."

Acts 2:2) And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.

Acts 2:4) And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Acts 2:6) Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together,....

Now, back to the point of "The Event" that took place..IT WAS THE FIRST TIME THAT GOD HAD POURED OUT HIS SPIRIT ON MAN...evidenced by speaking in other tongues...under the "Grace Dispensation."

MEE

 

[DHK]

Originally posted by MEE:

Now, back to the point of "The Event" that took place..IT WAS THE FIRST TIME THAT GOD HAD POURED OUT HIS SPIRIT ON MAN...evidenced by speaking in other tongues...under the "Grace Dispensation."

MEE

1 Samuel 10:10 And when they came thither to the hill, behold, a company of prophets met him; and the Spirit of God came upon him, and he prophesied among them.

The Spirit of God came upon the prophets in the Old Testament long before the Day of Pentecost came.

 

[Joseph_Botwinick]

I am reposting this for those of you who might have missed this from page one and perhaps would like to get a good laugh. I have to admit, it really tickles my funny bone:

Originally posted by Joseph_Botwinick:
Disclaimer: Again, this is a joke. Do not take this seriously.

</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Pentecostal Man’s Glossolalia Echos NBA Rosters

MURFREESBORO, TN – When new believer Gentry Tate attended Murfreesboro Assembly of God’s Friday Night Signs and Wonders meeting, he wasn’t expecting to make use of his acute knowledge of professional basketball. However, when traveling preacher Morgan Sheppard gave the altar call for those who wanted to receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit, Tate turned to the NBA for guidance. “He laid hands on me, and I didn’t want to let him down, so I spouted the weirdest gibberish I could come up with: ‘Kirelenko, Mutombo, Potapenko, you name it’. I guess it worked - everyone around me praised Jesus.”

The 21 year old native of Murfreesboro was led to Christ by best friend Cole Smith earlier this year. “Cole said I needed to get baptized and filled with the Holy Ghost, so he dunked me down at Buffalo Creek. I didn’t talk in tongues, so I guess it didn’t take. He suggested I see an anointed preacher like Reverend Sheppard. On the way over, Cole kinda prepped me for the infilling. He said I just needed to do some baby talk and the Holy Ghost would take over from there. Boy am I glad I was watching the Spurs-Jazz game before I went.”

“His prayer language is beautiful,” said long time Assembly attender June Dunton. “When he rattled off that string of ‘Stojakovic Ilgauskis Pau Gasol,’ I was just mesmerized. I never heard anything like it before.” For his part, Tate simply didn’t want to embarrass Reverend Sheppard. “Everybody he slapped on the forehead did a tongue, but I was at a loss for words. Until I remembered Tim Duncan’s slam dunk. Then I went for it with a, ‘Hallelujah Manu Ginobili.’ I heard everybody around me saying ‘yes Lord,’ so I figured I had the Holy Ghost. Then I let loose with a ‘Hallelujah Manu Ginobili Hedo Turkoglu,’ and it was on. Everybody started jumping up and down. I thought ‘Oh yeah? Take this...’ and I fired off a ‘Hallelujah Manu Ginobili Hedo Turkoglu Slava Medvedenko! MEDvedenko! Whoooaaa MedveDENKO!’ It felt like a tongues triple-double.”

Though Tate’s tongues were received by all, the interpretation was difficult to decipher. “I really couldn’t get a read on it,” said Duncan Thiel, 47. “So we called in Brother Metcalf.”

Burl Metcalf, 101, was a toddler during the Azusa Street revival in the early 20th century, and is Murfreesboro Assembly’s chief tongues expert. “Try as I could, all I could come up with was ‘3 ball from downtown!’, and ‘Who’s your Daddy now, sucka!’ I suppose it means the Trinity in the New Jerusalem is still our heavenly Father, or something.

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