I believe all 4 of the ones I mentioned, (KJV, NKJV, NASB and ESV) all teach the same doctrines
Stops the KJV? What do you mean stops the KJV. I said the KJV english(the english language during the time the KJV was translated) is outdated.
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My pastor said the NASB is an excellent translation.
But then he said it is an excellent translation of a corrupt text.
That is the difference between those who hold to only the KJB and the MVs. KJBs are not saying that the MVs are necessarily a bad translation, they are a translation of what we believe a corrupt text.
My pastor said the NIV is a very poor translation of a corrupt text.
Any books with English being outdated will stop. I looked for a book, but I can't find it anywhere. I checked at the library and found it somewhere. This book is no longer selling at any bookstores because it is too old and its English is outdated. The KJV is still there.
Same doctrines? What about 1 John 4:3; Daniel 3:25; Matt 20:20? Let's look at these verses if they are same or not.
That's because the kjv is still being widely used. Doesn't mean that the language isn't outdated.
At least your pastor understands that the NASB is better than the NIV. There are good arguments for the majority type position. I have no problem with that. I have no problem when people say that the older alexandrian manuscripts are "corrupt" because if they were right, they would have been copied. It's a very defensible position. The problem I have is when people say that false teachers purposefully corrupted the texts(with 0 evidence).
Here's a book that is good on the subject. I haven't read it yet because I haven't been able to get a copy of it, but have heard it is very good.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/1401062474/?tag=baptis04-20
It's written by 2 men that one is an Alexandrian text person, the other is majority.
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I suppose someone somewhere has tried it, but I can't imagine Shakespeare in modern English.
To continue to live, or not to live, that is the question...
There are many old books still in circulation that have archaic language. A great book every Christian should read is The Two Babylons by Alexander Hislop. It is still in circulation.
Here is one line from chapter 1
How's that for easy? This was written in 1853 but is far more difficult to read than the KJB.
And this is a terrific book, you should read it. Here it is online.
http://www.biblebelievers.com/babylon/00index.htm
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Can't read that. Written by a guy by the name of "Alexander"
Well that is a great book, it shows how the Roman Catholic Church is actually the ancient Babylonian mystery religion. It is especially good if you find it with the illustrations. For instance, did you ever realize that the Pope is wearing a fish head? He is. And if you notice the bottom of his robe you will see it is a fish tail. This is the ancient fish god Dagon of the Babylonians. Notice in the left-center.
http://mikeblume.com/sect61.htm
Now a drawing of the Pope's mitre hat
Look similar?
What do you consider evidence? It's not like these guys are going to come out and tell everybody they are trying to destroy the Word of God. The ol' devil doesn't operate like that. No, he will tell everybody he is trying to improve the scriptures.
Kinda the way some of our government leaders tell us they are doing things for our good, when really they are taking away individual rights, giving power to themselves.
Exactly, there is no evidence that the manuscripts were purposefully corrupted. The reason people say it is because they are different from the TR, but that isn't evidence. They try to say there were false teachers in Alexandria, but there were also false teachers in Antioch as well.
Well, I have to disagree. The Alexandrian texts are straight from the Catholic Church. Perhaps that does not bother you, but that bothers me a great deal. The Catholic Church has a history of trying to control people and dictate to them. They burned many a person to death who disagreed with them. That is not Christ-like behavior.
I don't trust anything the RCC does. I am not talking about the common Catholic person, I am talking about the hierarchy.
Since Hislop's name was mentioned, I will only say that he was as bad a writer as he was a philologist and historian. There is much nonsense in his book, which unfortunately is repeated over and over and over as if it were gospel.
As to the "texts straight from the Catholic Church," which of the manuscripts that underly the TR were not in the possession of churches you consider apostate?
As to the "texts straight from the Catholic Church," which of the manuscripts that underly the TR were not in the possession of churches you consider apostate?
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Would you trust the hierarchy/leadership in most protestant denominations/conventions other than the RCC?
Sounds kind of like some IFB preachers that I know. :smilewinkgrin:
Documents WERE corrupted . . by Constantine and the Byzantine Catholic Church. Look at the old documents miraculously preserved and compare them to the copies of copies of copies of copies of later corrupted texts.
Thank God for his perfect and accurate Word unsullied by the Byzantine Catholics! Stuck in libraries and monasteries because the Western Catholics shifted to Latin, these ancient Greek text are a godsend!
Still find it amazing that folks condemn the ancient preserved texts and then faun all over the corrupt Byzantine Catholic late copies and think they are somehow "Baptist"!!
Thank God for his perfect and accurate Word unsullied by the Byzantine Catholics! Stuck in libraries and monasteries because the Western Catholics shifted to Latin, these ancient Greek text are a godsend!
Still find it amazing that folks condemn the ancient preserved texts and then faun all over the corrupt Byzantine Catholic late copies and think they are somehow "Baptist"!!
Bob, why do you make this stuff up? I am sure you know that lying is a sin. I realize your motive is to just stir things up and sow discord, but when you lie about the facts of textual transmission you have gone over the line. You have become worse than the KJVOs whose only sin is wilfull ignorance.
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Actually both Aleph and B predate the Church of Rome which had its roots in Constantine's edict and did not develop into anything remotely similar to its present form until the time of Leo the Great in the 5th century.
By the way, Sinaiticus was in the care of the Eastern Orthodox Monetary of St. Catherine’s, not the RCC. Vaticanus was a gift to the Pope possibly from the Council of Florence and resided in the Vatican Library since its founding in 1448. Both manuscripts give evidence of having originated in Alexandria, or at least in Egypt, due to the inclusion of Coptic lettering in titles and at the ends of some paragraphs and lines in the text.
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