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Ed,

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"Somewhere after Matthew 24:29 is an end to the applicability of "Immediately after the tribulation".
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You fail to account for the fact that Jesus sends the angels to gather the Elect "from earth in the days after the great tribulation" according to Mark 13:24-27! You can't put those "DAYS" before the Tribulation any more than you can put the "3 1/2 days" (between the death of the Two Prophets and sounding of the 7th Trumpet) before the Tribulation!!
The only possible place for the the End to occur after the
great Tribulation is the 7th Trumpet which states that:

1. "God's wrath has come" Rev.11:18.
2. "Appointed time to judge the dead" ... Resurrection
3. "Appointed time to reward the saints" ... Rapture
4. "Appointed time to reward the prophets" ... Resurrection
5. "Appointed time to reward the small and great ... all
who fear God" ... those who beg for mercy will be "kept
alive" to enter the Kingdom as candidates to become
the Sheep or Goat Nations at End of the Millennium!
6. "Appointed time to destroy the destroyers of earth"!!
7. "Almighty God begins reign; Christ was just crowned!!!

Mel Miller www.lastday.net

 

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Ed Edwards,

In post #157 you answered my post #155:
“Mel Miller: //Jesus identifies the exact timing for the the Bema Seat, in Matt.16:27, is when He brings His rewards with Him for every believer at His coming in glory; but you claim our rewards will be received before He comes in glory!"// #155
Your response:
"You err in what I claim. Jesus comes in Glory twice: once for the Church Age Saints (Gentiles), once for the Tribulation Saints (Jews)". #157
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You agree that Matt.24:29-30 refers to Christ’s “coming in glory after the great tribulation”! You admit you stand alone to think that Matt.24:31 refers to His coming “in glory” for Church Saints…BEFORE the tribulation.
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In Post #160 you add that Matt.24:44 is also BEFORE Daniel’s final 7-Year Period of (so-called) Tribulation. Jesus says: “Be ready for the Son of Man is coming at an hour in which you think not”.
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Ed, you have already indicated your problem has to do with the question of when the time for Christ’s Presence ends “immediately after the tribulation”! Mark says it will be “days after the tribulation”!! This agrees with John: “Time/delay ends in the days” before the 7th Trumpet sounds.

You may feel Biblically sound to claim the “great trumpet” of Matt.24:31 is the “Last Trump" for a Pre-Trib Rapture of the Church to heaven! But you can’t deny that the Resurrection of the “dead and their Rewards” occurs at the 7th Trumpet which John reveals is the Last Trump that sounds after time shall be no longer subject to the 1260-day countdown!! Jesus continues the “any-moment expectation of His coming as a thief” is imminent right up to gathering of armies to Armageddon!!! Rev.16:15.

No Biblical principle of interpretation can justify that Jesus taught TWO comings in glory, as you claim above, in order to “bring His rewards WITH Him from heaven for every believer”! Jesus is not coming in glory twice to resurrect “all believers”!! He is not “bringing His rewards TWICE to raise the dead in Christ”!!! I Thess.4:13-17.

My friend, your view requires two resurrections of ALL the dead in Christ, two times to rapture all the Saints, two ends of the Age, two last days, two last trumps, two glorious comings of Christ, two sets of rewards, two weddings of the Lamb (the so-called 2nd being announced just before Christ descends to destroy His enemies) and two comings “as a thief”!

BUT only one watching for signs, only one time when all eyes behold His Presence and only one time for Saints to “know the END is near”!!

And you offer no hope that those left behind at a pre-trib rapture and who suffer martyrdom for their “testimony unto Jesus” will receive the highest reward offered to the Church in Rev.3:12, i.e., to “serve God as pillars in the temple of heaven for 1000 years”!!! Rev.12:17; Rev.7:14-17; Rev.20:4.

My friend, your view is totally exclusive for trib saints; failing to include those whom Jesus promises to “bless as they keep their clothes on and watch for His coming as a thief” at Armageddon! The Text of Rev.16:12-17 (with "IT IS DONE"; the End has come) occurs
before Rev.6:12-17, Seal Six, opens on the Last Day!! The final signs of His imminent return occur as the Two Prophets rise up and the
men of earth cringe in fear from signs in the sun, moon and stars!!!

Mel Miller www.lastday.net

 

Mel Miller: //My friend, your view requires two resurrections of ALL the dead in Christ, two times to rapture all the Saints, two ends of the Age, two last days, two last trumps, two glorious comings of Christ, two sets of rewards, two weddings of the Lamb (the so-called 2nd being announced just before Christ descends to destroy His enemies) and two comings “as a thief”! //

Wow, I wish i could have said it that good.

My backup scripture is:

Rev 19:16 (KJV1611 Edition):
And he hath on his vesture,
and on his thigh a name written,
King Of Kings,
And Lord Of Lords.

Is Messiah Creator God
(King of Kings & Lord of Lords) limited to
One & only one resurrection,
one & only one rapture,
the end of one & only one age,
one & only one set of last days,
one & only one glorious comings of Christ,
one & only one set of rewards, and
one & only one weddings of the Lamb?

BTW, neither is God limited to only two of these things.

Here is God's ONE & ONLY ONE's:

Eph 4:4-6 (KJV1611 Edition):
There is one body, and one spirit, euen as yee
are called in one hope of your calling.
5 One Lord, one Faith, one Baptisme,
6 One God and Father of all,
who is aboue all, & through all, & in you all.

No limits to:
One & only one resurrection,
one & only one rapture,
the end of one l& only one age,
one & only one set of last days,
one & only one glorious comings of Christ,
one & only one set of rewards, and
one & only one weddings of the Lamb.

 

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Ed,

You couldn't have said it better: Jesus is "coming as a thief" just one time!
That's when armies have been gathered to Armageddon!! Rev.16:14-16.
There's no way you can place Armageddon BEFORE the tribulation period!!!

Mel

 

Yes! But you missed it completely!

 

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Well, brother in the faith; but not in agreement on the Millennium:

It seems that Pastor Anderson left his chart to defend for itself!

There is no point of reference, in Revelation, to begin his chart!!

I feel you missed out completely back in April when you took the
very same course of no-reply by stating: "Since I disagree with everything in the above post any attempt at reply would be futile"!!!

No serious consideration of Scripture should be terminated by "no-reply"!

Mel Miller www.lastday.net

 

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Friends,

In post #159 I presented an order of events beginning with SEAL ONE
as the starting point for the Chart of Revelation. I gave SEAL TWO as
the starting point for the 1260-day Endtime. No one made a comment!

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#1 - Spread of Democracy; Babylon the Great; Covenant of Dan.9:27.
#2 - Midweek - Peace taken from earth; Satan cast from heaven; Ten
Kings destroy Babylon; Matt.24:15-28; Prophets begin 1260-Day Task!!
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Perhaps this order is too simple to appreciate!!!

Mel Miller www.lastday.net