Political Correctness????

[Zaac]

Here is the response to the above:

Hello


Thanks for your email. I am just wondering which child is yours. I am happy to share information with you but want to be sure with whom I am sharing.


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And just what is THAT supposed to have to do with what was asked? I wouldn't mind the question so much if it weren't so "What does any of this have to do with you, who are you?" sounding.

And if she is a social psychologists she should know a little bit more about phrasing questions.

Too many red flags in this whole situation for my tastes.

 

[Zaac]

No, no, no. It's possible that not all the children are being selected for the "making friends" small group. Probably picking the ones that have a hard time making friends. It's not unreasonable for the counselor to want to know who is inquiring about the small group.

I agree. But it's the way the question was asked that makes me think this is too much of an experiment with the kids being used as social guinea pigs.

Consider the responses of IT so far--paranoia, fear, mistrust, timidness--just the sort of qualities that do not win friends. Furthermore, I would submit his responses to people on BB are oftentimes unfriendly. Just ask Tom LaPalm (see "When are Names Written in the Book of Life?" thread)

IT should be a man, pick up the phone and settle this thing. If it were me I'd put the young upstart counselor on the defensive and ask for a meeting. Why beat around the bush? Take the problem head on. Sheesh. The counselor is probably making notes on the parental responses.

I absolutely guarantee that they are. The "Experiment" started with the letters.

 

[Jordan Kurecki]

This is probably why you shouldn't send your kids to some public school where they are going to be brainwashed.

I know it's just kindergarten, but it blows my mind that people think sending their kids to 5 day a week humanist brain washing is going to help their kids turn out serving the Lord.
Home school or send your kids to a Christian school.

 

[Internet Theologian]

This is probably why you shouldn't send your kids to some public school where they are going to be brainwashed.

I know it's just kindergarten, but it blows my mind that people think sending their kids to 5 day a week humanist brain washing is going to help their kids turn out serving the Lord.

Many people on here have gone to public schools and are converted, so have many and most in our churches. 1 Corinthians 5:9-13

Home school or send your kids to a Christian school.

Do you have any children?

 

[Zaac]

Many people on here have gone to public schools and are converted, so have many and most in our churches. 1 Corinthians 5:9-13

That's one of the things I keep stressing to parents. If the Body of Christ is going to turn its back on the unsaved fields in the school systems, then we again, need to pray for the Rapture and God to get us out of the way if we're not going to do what He left us here to do.

If we take the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit out of the public schools, you'll see a mini-version of what you see happening in society.

Parents just have to remain vigilant and involved.

 

[InTheLight]

1) The letter sent home raised a red flag. Do you think we are going to make ourselves a target by asking publicly? I think not.

A target? A target of what? Some feckless psychology major? Are you AFRAID of the public schools?

2) The response by email raises yet another red flag. The curriculum about 'making and keeping friends' should have been happily shared. Not to mention such a topic isn't needed at this level.

And it would have been shared if you would only give your name to someone, a person that is teaching your child.

3) If my name is given I get this feeling that the next thing will be the question 'Why are you asking'? as if to be involved and wanting to know is 'suspicious activity'. I'll pass.

Answer: "I'm asking because I have the welfare of my child at heart. I'm asking because as a parent I want to be fully engaged in the education of my child. I'm asking because I love my child and want the best for him"

Take the offensive. Turn the tables on the counselor: "Why are you asking me this question?"

You have no problem taking Baptist Board members, fellow Christians, to the woodshed over just about anything, but you won't stand up to a wet-behind-the-ears school counselor?!

All the above is perfectly acceptable especially in this post modernist politically correct society to which we belong.

Strawman. In fact, you don't know what is going on, because you won't find out.

 

[Zaac]

We received this letter from the school today where our Kindergartner attends:

Dear Parent:

I would like to invite your child to become a member of a kindergarten small group. We will work on making and keeping friends. The group will be co facilitated by (local University) Practicum student __________ and myself.

The group will meet once a week for about 30 minutes. We will meet six weeks during the school day at a time selected by your child's teacher. Your child will not miss core academic instruction.

Please complete the form below and return it to school as soon as possible. If you have questions, you may call me at ***-**** or email me at ___________________________.

Sincerely,

_____________
School Counselor
__________________
School Counselor Intern

**********************************************************************************************************

The more I look at this the more it becomes a turn off. It's an experiment.. And where is that 30 minutes coming from? Is there an extra 30 minutes of fluff just built into the school schedule?

And again, why do kids have to be taught/trained to make and keep friends? It just doesn't pass the smell test for me and I wouldn't let my kid participate.

And then whether or not your child participates in the group, there will no doubt be little kids using these new taught methods on kids who aren't in the group so your child gets sucked in and becomes part of what is measured anyway.

Never been a fan of social engineering. And they seem to be trying to get an earlier start in controlling different aspects of people's lives.

 

[Jordan Kurecki]

That's one of the things I keep stressing to parents. If the Body of Christ is going to turn its back on the unsaved fields in the school systems, then we again, need to pray for the Rapture and God to get us out of the way if we're not going to do what He left us here to do.

If we take the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit out of the public schools, you'll see a mini-version of what you see happening in society.

Parents just have to remain vigilant and involved.

What's happening in the public schools now is the same thing that is happening in society.
Children are not prepared for the evil that is in public school at their young and impressionable ages.

5 days a week of humanist brainwashing and apostate people teaching your children is not really reversed by one day a week at church.

The Bible teaches that a companion of fools shall be destroyed, also a verse in proverbs says to turn your ear away from hearing the instruction that causes you to err. Sending children to public school to hear lies like evolution and other garbage seems to conflict with that verse.

Public school will not teach your kids to live for God. absolutely no way, and if people turn out for God it's in spite of public school education.

the absence of mentioning Jesus Christ in public school is teaching people that they can live apart from God. The philosophy of public schools is in essence anti-God.

Really tired of hearing this garbage about how we need our kids to be there so they can be a light. Nonsense, that's like saying you have to be part of the Catholic Church to reach Catholics. We don't need our kids to be indoctrinated with false beliefs for them to be light and a testimony to others. Take your kids out into the world to knock doors and talk to people about Jesus, or take your kids with you to hand out tracts.

I am not advocating that we retreat and hide from the world in a little bubble, but I also am not advocating allowing lost men to educate and train our impressionable children, that's foolish.

 

[Internet Theologian]

What's happening in the public schools now is the same thing that is happening in society.

Wonder if God's people can withstand this?

Children are not prepared for the evil that is in public school at their young and impressionable ages. 5 days a week of humanist brainwashing and apostate people teaching your children is not really reversed by one day a week at church.

You don't seem to posses much faith in God in this world.

One day a week at church? What about the rest of the week? Like family prayer, bible study, devotions? Why do you think that things need to be reversed by a day in church? Perhaps God has reserved His own in the world against this influence?

The Bible teaches that a companion of fools shall be destroyed, also a verse in proverbs says to turn your ear away from hearing the instruction that causes you to err.

1 Corinthians 5:9ff. Or perhaps your belief is that we should barricade our lives from sinners, the world, 'separation'? That is what is actually wrong with the church. We don't need that, we need brave witnesses instead of cowering pushovers.

Sending children to public school to hear lies like evolution and other garbage seems to conflict with that verse.

Many on here have listened to evolution and 'other garbage'. Your solution has caused persons to not develop an apologetic against the suppression of truth. Instead of being bold in the world and facing it like God's people should they are isolated and have no answers.

 

[Jordan Kurecki]

Wonder if God's people can withstand this

You don't seem to posses much faith in God in this world.

One day a week at church? What about the rest of the week? Like family prayer, bible study, devotions? Why do you think that things need to be reversed by a day in church? Perhaps God has reserved His own in the world against this influence?

1 Corinthians 5:9ff. Or perhaps your belief is that we should barricade our lives from sinners, the world, 'separation'? That is what is actually wrong with the church. We don't need that, we need brave witnesses instead of cowering pushovers.

Many on here have listened to evolution and 'other garbage'. Your solution has caused persons to not develop an apologetic against the suppression of truth. Instead of being bold in the world and facing it like God's people should they are isolated and have no answers.

Separation is what is wrong with the Church?

Have you even read 2 Corinthians chapter 6?

 

[Internet Theologian]

Separation is what is wrong with the Church?

Have you even read 2 Corinthians chapter 6?

Have you even read 1 Corinthians 5?

BTW 2 Corinthians 6 warning to those who practice those sins is written to those who profess to being believers who practice those lifestyles. It is not a denouncement of the world, it is about professing believers being deceived.

 

[Jordan Kurecki]

1 Corinthians 5:9ff. Or perhaps your belief is that we should barricade our lives from sinners, the world, 'separation'? That is what is actually wrong with the church. We don't need that, we need brave witnesses instead of cowering pushovers.

Wow, what a strawman argument, you insist that just because I believe children's minds need to be protected from false teaching at young impressionable ages that I believe we should barricade and hide ourselves from the world. ABSOLUTE NONSENSE.

What if the Public schools Islam, or Mormonism instead of religion of Humanism? would you still choose to send your kids there to be light?

If you answer no, then you are a hypocrite.

 

[Internet Theologian]

Separation is what is wrong with the Church?

Have you even read 2 Corinthians chapter 6?

Yes, your idea of separation is one thing that is wrong with the church.

Perhaps this video will help you:

 

[Internet Theologian]

Wow, what a strawman argument, you insist that just because I believe children's minds need to be protected from false teaching at young impressionable ages that I believe we should barricade and hide ourselves from the world. ABSOLUTE NONSENSE.

We defend their minds with truth, not with hiding them from truth. I made no straw man argument as it is you who suggested barricading children from the world and sending them to Christian Schools.

Can you show me where you did not say this and that I am incorrect?

Do you have any children?

Have you read the sermon on the mount wherein we are instructed to be salt and light, and that a light is not to be under a bushel basket. You're saying the light should be hidden.

What if the Public schools Islam, or Mormonism instead of religion of Humanism? would you still choose to send your kids there to be light?

If you answer no, then you are a hypocrite.

Yes, we are not scared of the world and don't barricade ourselves from it.

 

[Jordan Kurecki]

Proverbs 19:27 Cease, my son, to hear the instruction that causeth to err from the words of knowledge.

 

[Internet Theologian]

Proverbs 19:27 Cease, my son, to hear the instruction that causeth to err from the words of knowledge.

Ahhh, a proof text to barricade ourselves, plug our ears, run from the world, isolate ourselves and send our kids to Christian Schools.

Do you have any children?

 

[Jordan Kurecki]

Ahhh, a proof text to barricade ourselves, plug our ears, run from the world, isolate ourselves and send our kids to Christian Schools.

Do you have any children?

The Scripture is clear, we are not to willingly receive instruction that causes us to err from the Lord.

Whether or not I have children is irrelevant, because our final authority is God's word, not your experience or mine.

I don't need to be married to condemn adultery, nor do I need children to condemn sending them somewhere to receive instruction that will cause them to err.

 

[Internet Theologian]

The Scripture is clear, we are not to willingly receive instruction that causes us to err from the Lord.

What does 'receive' mean? You sound like that if a kid goes to school their minds are a funnel and the teachers fill their minds. Do you believe they are mindless, or, do you believe they actually receive enough biblical training, at home, to thwart unbiblical teaching?

Going to public school causes us to 'err from the Lord'? I think many on here would beg to differ.

If you were a youth director, and had teens who went to public school, would you go and tell this to their parents, that they are wrong for sending them to public schools and share with them your proof-texts?

Whether or not I have children is irrelevant, because our final authority is God's word, not your experience or mine.

Actually it is relevant because you don't have children, and you have not experienced raising them in the admonition of the world by the Word and you do not have any experience as a parent. You realize godly parents are to train other younger parents, right? They are to share (gulp) their exepriences of walking with the LORD in this world. Again, 1 Corinthians 5.

How many children know the Lord and still attend public schools, and still love the Lord, and hear false views, and still love the Lord? They don't need you telling them what to do. Their godly parents follow the Lord and don't barricade them from the world. They see them as salt and light in the world. You should go read John 17 and see God's purpose there for his people.

I don't need to be married to condemn adultery, nor do I need children to condemn sending them somewhere to receive instruction that will cause them to err.

So you are condemning everyone here who sends their children to public schools? Gotcha.

 

[InTheLight]

Yes, we are not scared of the world and don't barricade ourselves from it.

Unless a school counselor sends an email about a class for kindergartners on how to make friends. Then we think the boogeyman is going to indoctrinate our children and start a file on the parents!

 

[Internet Theologian]

Unless a school counselor sends an email

What email? She sent an email? Or, are you assuming again?

about a class for kindergartners on how to make friends.[/qoute]

Kindergartners make friends. They don't need taught how to do this.

Then we think the boogeyman is going to indoctrinate our children and start a file on the parents!

You've gone from assuming, to oblivious, to asinine.

As usual you have nothing to offer but ridicule. It's your practice.