Pope Francis: "Hell Does Not Exist"

[Yeshua1]

Judgment and cleansing of sin from the created order.

As I pointed out before, God thinks living forever in an unregenerate state is too horrible to even contemplate.

That is why there exists an eternal hell though!

 

[Baptist Believer]

That is why there exists an eternal hell though!

What do you mean by "hell"?

Are you talking about an eternal existence of the lake of fire? If so, perhaps.

If you are talking about eternal conscious torment, I don't think scripture supports that, as I have demonstrated.

If you are talking about capital punishment, which has eternal consequences, I agree.

 

[Yeshua1]

What do you mean by "hell"?

Are you talking about an eternal existence of the lake of fire? If so, perhaps.

If you are talking about eternal conscious torment, I don't think scripture supports that, as I have demonstrated.

If you are talking about capital punishment, which has eternal consequences, I agree.

Eternal existence, apart from knowing and experiencing the very presense of God!

 

[Baptist Believer]

Eternal existence, apart from knowing and experiencing the very presense of God!

No. Scripture tells us the opposite.

 

[Yeshua1]

No. Scripture tells us the opposite.

God Himself sees being alive in hell superior to just being burnt up and disappearing!

 

[Baptist Believer]

God Himself sees being alive in hell superior to just being burnt up and disappearing!

No he does not.

Being consumed in the lake of fire is the horrible fate of those who reject God.

If you are going to continue to make assertions, please back them up with scripture. I am trying to have a biblical discussion because unsupported opinions are worthless if we are going to be faithful disciples of Jesus.

 

[Yeshua1]

No he does not.

Being consumed in the lake of fire is the horrible fate of those who reject God.

If you are going to continue to make assertions, please back them up with scripture. I am trying to have a biblical discussion because unsupported opinions are worthless if we are going to be faithful disciples of Jesus.

Jesus stated that there will be a place of eternal suffering , with waling and gnashing of teeth, and those in hades right now who are lost have yet to face the GWT, as they will be judged according to their works, and there are varying level of punishment in hell, but if all burnt up, how can that be true?

 

[Baptist Believer]

Jesus stated that there will be a place of eternal suffering...

Please show me the words of Jesus that describe eternal conscious suffering.

...with waling and gnashing of teeth, and those in hades right now who are lost have yet to face the GWT, as they will be judged according to their works, and there are varying level of punishment in hell, but if all burnt up, how can that be true?

Regarding varying levels of punishment, some will burn longer than others before they are consumed. Or perhaps, there are varying levels of punishment in Hades (current location of the rebellious dead), and the lake of fire will finally end it.

 

[Yeshua1]

Please show me the words of Jesus that describe eternal conscious suffering.


Regarding varying levels of punishment, some will burn longer than others before they are consumed. Or perhaps, there are varying levels of punishment in Hades (current location of the rebellious dead), and the lake of fire will finally end it.

Why would there not be an eternal distinction though between varying degrees of Hell, so to speak?

 

[Baptist Believer]

Why would there not be an eternal distinction though between varying degrees of Hell, so to speak?

Torment in the lake of fire is not eternal. Duration of suffering could be the primary distinction.

 

[Yeshua1]

Torment in the lake of fire is not eternal. Duration of suffering could be the primary distinction.

Do you see the torment as being literal fires?

 

[Baptist Believer]

Do you see the torment as being literal fires?

The leading biblical image is of a fire. Fire is painful and consumes. However, there are other biblical images of persons being slain, put into outer darkness, etc.

The idea is that it is bad and that it is final. Moreover, the scripture is clear that the torment/suffering eventually ends.

 

[Yeshua1]

The leading biblical image is of a fire. Fire is painful and consumes. However, there are other biblical images of persons being slain, put into outer darkness, etc.

The idea is that it is bad and that it is final. Moreover, the scripture is clear that the torment/suffering eventually ends.

Except that the scriptures would support instead an eternal Hell, but with different degrees of judgement/punishment applied by God...

 

[Baptist Believer]

Except that the scriptures would support instead an eternal Hell...

Do they?

You keep asserting that they do, but cannot seem to demonstrate it. Is the scripture authoritative or not? I have used an extensive amount of scripture to show that the idea of eternal conscience suffering is not something that God wants, nor is something that will happen. You are simply making assertions. Your opinions and my opinions are irrelevant.

I realize that you don't want to accept the idea that the wicked will not live forever, and that's your choice. But don't you dare claim that "the scriptures support" something unless you are willing to demonstrate it with scripture.

...but with different degrees of judgement/punishment applied by God...

I don't know why you are so fixated upon degrees of punishment. That is ultimately irrelevant to the issue. Any level of punishment means one is eternally lost.

Please do not respond to anything I have said here unless you are willing to provide a SCRIPTURAL argument -- that means providing scriptural references that you believe demonstrates your position.

 

[Yeshua1]

Do they?

You keep asserting that they do, but cannot seem to demonstrate it. Is the scripture authoritative or not? I have used an extensive amount of scripture to show that the idea of eternal conscience suffering is not something that God wants, nor is something that will happen. You are simply making assertions. Your opinions and my opinions are irrelevant.

I realize that you don't want to accept the idea that the wicked will not live forever, and that's your choice. But don't you dare claim that "the scriptures support" something unless you are willing to demonstrate it with scripture.


I don't know why you are so fixated upon degrees of punishment. That is ultimately irrelevant to the issue. Any level of punishment means one is eternally lost.

Please do not respond to anything I have said here unless you are willing to provide a SCRIPTURAL argument -- that means providing scriptural references that you believe demonstrates your position.

An eternal Hell has always seen as being the orthodox Christian position, correct?

 

[Robert William]

This is what you get when a sinner is declared "infallible".

Pope Francis: 'There Is No Hell'
In another interview with his longtime atheist friend, Eugenio Scalfari, Pope Francis claims that Hell does not exist and that condemned souls just "disappear." This is a denial of the 2,000-year-old teaching of the Catholic Church about the reality of Hell and the eternal existence of the soul.

Scalfri says to the Pope, "Your Holiness, in our previous meeting you told me that our species will disappear in a certain moment and that God, still out of his creative force, will create new species. You have never spoken to me about the souls who died in sin and will go to hell to suffer it for eternity. You have however spoken to me of good souls, admitted to the contemplation of God. But what about bad souls? Where are they punished?"

Pope Francis says, "They are not punished, those who repent obtain the forgiveness of God and enter the rank of souls who contemplate him, but those who do not repent and cannot therefore be forgiven disappear. There is no hell, there is the disappearance of sinful souls."

Pope Francis: 'There Is No Hell'

Pope Francis is antichrist and may be THE Antichrist.

 

[Robert William]

Do they?

You keep asserting that they do, but cannot seem to demonstrate it. Is the scripture authoritative or not? I have used an extensive amount of scripture to show that the idea of eternal conscience suffering is not something that God wants, nor is something that will happen. You are simply making assertions. Your opinions and my opinions are irrelevant.

I realize that you don't want to accept the idea that the wicked will not live forever, and that's your choice. But don't you dare claim that "the scriptures support" something unless you are willing to demonstrate it with scripture.


I don't know why you are so fixated upon degrees of punishment. That is ultimately irrelevant to the issue. Any level of punishment means one is eternally lost.

Please do not respond to anything I have said here unless you are willing to provide a SCRIPTURAL argument -- that means providing scriptural references that you believe demonstrates your position.

Judgment Before the Great White Throne
Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

 

[Baptist Believer]

An eternal Hell has always seen as being the orthodox Christian position, correct?

No.

And you really need to define what you mean by "eternal hell." I have been assuming you mean 'eternal conscious torment', but I have no way of really knowing what you mean because you will not use scripture or biblical terminology.

 

[Baptist Believer]

Judgment Before the Great White Throne
Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Sure. I affirm every bit of that.

The scripture says it is the "second death", not eternal conscious torment.

 

[Yeshua1]

No.

And you really need to define what you mean by "eternal hell." I have been assuming you mean 'eternal conscious torment', but I have no way of really knowing what you mean because you will not use scripture or biblical terminology.

Place where people still live forever more, a place devoid of the very prsense of God.